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Was he shot?

I've seen conflicting reports as to whether he was actually shot. Benpiano800 (talk) 22:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sky News claims there was blood coming out of his ear, which would imply the bullet hit him. Luunarr (talk) 22:43, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could also be injury from the Secret Service agents jumping on top of him. Mårtensås (talk) 22:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He reached for his ear right after you here the first shot and before the secret service run to him 129.13.192.39 (talk) 22:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So far none of the sources seem to clearly say that he was shot. Will become clearer once we know more. Gust Justice (talk) 22:44, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

cnn reported he was injured

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/13/politics/trump-injured-pennsylvania-rally/index.html CViB (talk) 23:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

because they saw him bleeding. if that was from the shot or something else is unknown. the SS hasn't confirmed anything besides the fact that he's safe Problem$0lved (talk) 23:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Title

"Shooting" might be taken to imply that the attack was fatal. I propose moving to "2024 Donald Trump assassination attempt". Mårtensås (talk) 22:44, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But we do not know yet if it was an actuall assasination attempt? Tinkaer1991 (talk) 22:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If/when it comes out that it was an assassination attempt (i doubt it wont), we should just call it Donald Trump assassination attempt. In the meantime, we should call it smthn like "Donald Trump PA rally incident/shooting"Nojus R (talk) 22:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes i agree. Tinkaer1991 (talk) 22:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, but I am not even sure "shooting" is appropriate at this point: none of the reliable sources state that unequivocally. Dumuzid (talk) 22:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree in principle but the current title "2024 shooting at a Donald Trump rally" is a bit awkward. Pickle Mon (talk) 23:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I surely agree, maybe "incident" would be more appropriate Tinkaer1991 (talk) 23:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Atleast until we have more information about the plot behind Tinkaer1991 (talk) 23:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's the indefinite article I was talking about Pickle Mon (talk) 23:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i mean getting shot at is by definition an "Assassination's attempt" especially when you're a high stake politician

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/13/politics/trump-injured-pennsylvania-rally/index.html CViB (talk) 23:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't know the alledged assassin's intentions, and therefore cannot yet rule it to be an assassination attempt. Tinkaer1991 (talk) 23:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As of right now, the page title should stay as is, but I agree that the name could be changed to something more informational. Silaaaaaa (talk) 23:20, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename

I think Attempted assassination of Donald Trump would be a better title, per example of Attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan. There's no reason why 2024 should be specified in this specific situation since it was the first to happen. Luunarr (talk) 22:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

agreed 24.115.255.37 (talk) 22:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If and when the sources tell us it was unequivocally an assassination attempt, I agree. Dumuzid (talk) 22:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unkown at this time if it was an attemted assasination. Give it a bit CitrusHemlock 23:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given reporting on his injury, as well as precedent for former presidents where an attempt was made made(See: Attempted assassination of Theodore Roosevelt), the move to attempted assassination is appropriate. Foreheadman (talk) 23:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed also. Eastwood Park and strabane (talk) 23:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article already being heavily vandalized

We need admin-protected, its been 10 minutes and we've already seen like 2 different attempts at vandalism Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 22:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Autoconfirmed protection would do it in my opinion, it's mainly IP editors doing the vandalism. Not a single user account as far as I've seen. Luunarr (talk) 22:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What we needed was for this article not to be created yet, because as yet no-one knows what's going on. Instead of which we have a thousand would-be citizen reports who saw something on the TV or the internet and jumped to conclusions. But yeah, protection for this and related articles is a priority. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Completely agree with this. Dumuzid (talk) 23:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please let's not turn the article into a reaction farm

I think we should only include reactions if they're notable. Random expressions of sympathy will unnecessarily bloat the Reactions section. Nythar (💬-🍀) 23:01, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As per usual, I think it's worthwhile to have Biden and Shapiro's reactions. Other reactions can be added if they prove to be meaningful (i.e. if a politician starts a conspiracy that gets popular) Ornov Ganguly (talk) 23:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely agree. Keep to congressional leadership, world leaders, and Shapiro (and white house assuming they respond). Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 23:09, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I came here to say the same thing. This happens all the time with shooting articles. They get bloated with reactions from every Tom, Dick and Harry. Isaidnoway (talk) 23:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be best to remove the section on X users too? I feel like it's a bit redundant and way too vague of a statement, all things considered. Anjellies (talk) 23:11, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Business people and fan/supporter reactions are not needed. SimplyLouis27 (talk) 23:11, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's bar new additions besides Joe Biden, Ruben Gallego, Gretchen Whitmer, and Josh Shapiro. We can discuss other people here. I am removing Elon Musk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oganguly (talk • contribs) 23:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this analysis. I think political leaders from the area and in the relevant federal arena may be appropriate. A random businessperson of any persuasion is inappropriate. Zkidwiki (talk) 23:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Musk is the world’s wealthiest man; hardly random. Mårtensås (talk) 23:24, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elon Musk was added back, but we can discuss here whether to keep it. I also believe Gallego might be unnessisary. He's just a random member from Arizona and I anticipate many, many members of congress on both sides of the aisle addressing this. And Governors will too, so to that extent I don't know if Whitmer's needed. Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 23:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 July 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Pennsylvania be renamed and moved to 2024 assassination attempt of Donald Trump.

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2024 shooting at a Donald Trump rally → 2024 assassination attempt of Donald Trump – High usage of the term attempted assassination. Prior to administrator protection, this was the article title and an administrator, without discussion, moved it to the current name. Sources: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC) The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PLEASE WAIT until we get some non-breaking-news sources, its impossible to gauge a COMMONNAME this early. – Hilst [talk] 23:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to go with any "wait" ideas, given an administrator moved it away from that title with 0 discussion. It was the title prior to administrator protection, and a single person determined the current name. Nah, a discussion needs to happen. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support a move to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump since none of the other assassination attempts against him (such as the ricin one) were nearly as notable as this one. Nythar (💬-🍀) 23:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)+1 Hilst, although "2024 Donald Trump rally shooting" is probably better than current title. Queen of Hearts ^talk 23:07, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose- Not confirmed SimplyLouis27 (talk) 23:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SimplyLouis27: WP:VNT. Do you have proof/sources that it was not confirmed or is not the common term? I listed 8 sources above using it. Sorry, but SNOWCLOSE isn't a valid thing for this, with a "not confirmed" reasoning because Wikipedia doesn't care about what is or isn't confirmed. Only what is verifiable, which "attempted assassination" is as presented above. If you wish to oppose, you can, but please provide a valid oppose reasoning via Wikipedia's policy. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RS SimplyLouis27 (talk) 23:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now, let's wait until there is a general consensus in reliable sources. There is no deadline. Isaidnoway (talk) 23:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and wait, we still do not know the motive of the perpetrator(s), It's possible it was not the goal to harm Trump but simply shoot at the rally. There is more information we should wait for. I believe we can move when it is confirmed an assassination was the goal. Bigfatman8766 (talk) 23:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose, with the amount of edits going through, it would not be good to move this early. ElusiveTaker^(talk) 23:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This article already says that it was an assignation attempt in the side bar. Others of list many sources calling it this, and here is one. CavDan24 (talk) 23:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:NYPOST - There is consensus the New York Post is generally unreliable for factual reporting, especially with regard to politics. Isaidnoway (talk) 23:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename article as attempted assassination (or something of the like)?

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Title. The attack type on the article is already listed as "attempted assassination<' and turmp was clearly shot, so? CavDan24 (talk) 23:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See #Requested move 13 July 2024. SimplyLouis27 (talk) 23:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The current title is not good

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It is informal it should be titled as an incident, it was not fatal just injurious, Ayunipear (talk) 23:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ayunipear: feel free to join the discussion above! ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 23:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename as 2024 Incident at Donald Trump Rally

Maybe rename this as Rename as 2024 Incident at Donald Trump Rally Cwater1 (talk) 23:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think a title like that would be a little to vague. It's pretty much confirmed at this point it was a shooting. Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 23:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about 2024 Shooting at Donald Trump Rally? HistoryFanOfItAll1999 (talk) 23:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support moving to 2024 Donald Trump Pennsylvania rally incident. It would be consistent with 2016 Donald Trump Las Vegas rally incident. Surachit (talk) 23:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

suggestion

perhaps change the title to assassination attempt on donald trump if the news finds that it was an attempt or not 2806:265:5480:5BD:19BD:7FEA:C29D:8584 (talk) 23:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2024_shooting_at_a_Donald_Trump_rally#Requested_move_13_July_2024 Luunarr (talk) 23:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See above discussion. Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 23:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this definitely seems like a assassination attempt BigRed606 (talk) 23:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think so too. HistoryFanOfItAll1999 (talk) 23:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::I agree with this analysis. I think political leaders from the area and in the relevant federal arena may be appropriate. A random businessperson of any persuasion is inappropriate. [[User:Zkidwiki|Zkidwiki]] ([[User talk:Zkidwiki|talk]]) 23:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
+:::Musk is the world’s wealthiest man; hardly random. [[User:Mårtensås|Mårtensås]] ([[User talk:Mårtensås|talk]]) 23:24, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 ::Elon Musk was added back, but we can discuss here whether to keep it. I also believe Gallego might be unnessisary. He's just a random member from Arizona and I anticipate many, many members of congress on both sides of the aisle addressing this. And Governors will too, so to that extent I don't know if Whitmer's needed. <span style="background:#66ff99;color:#000000"> [[User:Jcoolbro|<big>J</big>cool<u>bro</u>]] </span>  ([[User talk:Jcoolbro|talk]]) [[Special:Contributions/Jcoolbro|(c)]] 23:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)