User talk:Montanabw

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Make articles, not wikidrama

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Sandbox invite

Anyone may play in my sandboxes, in the archive list to the right, IF you promise to behave. This means:

• No kicking sand
• No hitting other people over the head with toys
• No pooping, even if you are a cat and neatly cover it up!
• It's my sandbox, so I can throw you out if you misbehave!  :-)

Typical talk page discussion thread

"[The] readers will not be privy to the massive undercurrents of dross that underpins WP. They require well written, well sourced, encyclopaedic material that can inform, enlighten and satisfy their interest."

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"We live a time when criticism, especially here on Wikipedia, is considered to be a personal attack, which is at the root of this nonsense. Yet without criticism we can't improve."

—The user formerly known as Malleus Fatuorum

"Montana, you know I respect you greatly--you write FAs that have fewer adjectives than that outburst."

—User:Drmies

"Every edit, especially bold ones, is disruptive. Disruptive just means changing the status quo and because Wikipedia is in a constant state of evolution, it is in a constant state of disruption ..."

—User: Liz

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Come here and I'll point the spout at YOU!

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Happy Montanabw's Day!

User:Montanabw has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Montanabw's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Montanabw! Peace, Rlevse 01:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC) A record of your Day will always be kept here.

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Awww, gee! That was really super nice! Thank you! Montanabw^(talk) 04:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

'tis the season

Louisa Venable Kyle wrote a children's book on The Witch of Pungo --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:50, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Precious translates to the PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

This is cool

Parking the link: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/TED_conferences/TED_speakers_challenge/Participants#Prizes

Merry Christmas!

	Merry Christmas
	Hoping you stay warm and have lots of good times and good food this holiday season! White Arabian Filly Neigh

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Yo Ho Ho

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Christmas & Horses

You're not only a fine editor, you're one heck of fine person. Happy New Year, Montanabw.

Montana Silversmiths

Saw that they didn't have an article and just had to do a quick creation. Feel free to expand, and particularly add categories because I couldn't find any that fit. I didn't know they made all the NFR buckles, but I love their jewelry. (I'm seriously going to order this when it's back in stock! Ha ha) White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 23:56, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

I'll take a peek. Thanks for the heads up! Montanabw^(talk) 00:15, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

They do PBR buckles too. Also, I like this one they did for Bodacious.

• Bodacious: http://www.terapeak.com/worth/ranch-worn-bodacious-belt-buckle-by-montana-silversmiths-nfr-bull-of-the-year/252381169281/
• PBR: http://www.montanasilversmiths.com/partners/pbr.html
• dawnleelynn^(talk) 01:07, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review - newsletter No.2

Hello Montanabw,

A HUGE backlog

We now have 822 New Page Reviewers!
Most of us requested the user right at PERM, expressing a wish to be able to do something about the huge backlog, but the chart on the right does not demonstrate any changes to the pre-user-right levels of October.

Hitting 17,000 soon

The backlog is still steadily growing at a rate of 150 a day or 4,650 a month. Only 20 reviews a day by each reviewer over the next few days would bring the backlog down to a managable level and the daily input can then be processed by each reviewer doing only 2 or 3 reviews a day - that's about 5 minutes work!
It didn't work in time to relax for the Xmas/New Year holidays. Let's see if we can achieve our goal before Easter, otherwise by Thanksgiving it will be closer to 70,000.

Second set of eyes

Remember that we are the only guardians of quality of new articles, we alone have to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged by non-Reviewer patrollers and that new authors are not being bitten.

Abuse

This is even more important and extra vigilance is required considering Orangemoody, and

1. this very recent case of paid advertising by a Reviewer resulting in a community ban.
2. this case in January of paid advertising by a Reviewer, also resulting in a community ban.
3. This Reviewer is indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry.

Coordinator election

Kudpung is stepping down after 6 years as unofficial coordinator of New Page Patrolling/Reviewing. There is enough work for two people and two coords are now required. Details are at NPR Coordinators; nominate someone or nominate yourself. Date for the actual suffrage will be published later.

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Request for help using a magazine citation

This one is open to any of montanabw's help page stalkers. :) On the article Bushwacker, I used an article from a magazine American Bucking Bull. I used one of the citation templates you can pull down from inside the editing box and it's there with all the references. It's #3. However, I noticed while I was looking at Secretariat that the hardcopy books were listed in a separate section named "Sources." So now I am wondering if I used the right template and if I put it in the right place. Can any one assist me? It would be much appreciated. Article title: A Tale of Two Champions: Kent Cox and Bushwacker. Issue: Nov/Dec 2011. Magazine: American Bucking Bull. Publisher: USBBA. Author: Keith Ryan Cartwright (I know it's misspelled in the article). dawnleelynn^(talk) 21:54, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

We used shortened format (SFN) for some of the articles. It doesn't really matter, you can mix both. Someone will change it if it really bugs them. I personally prefer SFN for books and scientific papers only. If you want to see an example where 99.9% of the citations were done with SFN, look at Blue Hills (Washington). Matter of taste which to use. - Brianhe (talk) 02:57, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Brianhe (talk · contribs)You are always so quick to respond and be helpful! I think I will leave it as is. Like you said, someone can change it if it bugs them. I am fine with someone changing it. But it seems strange to move it to a Source subsection for just 1 entry. So, if that bugs someone as well, they can move it. Unless you feel strongly I should move it and then I will. Thanks again and sorry on the delayed response. dawnleelynn^(talk) 18:03, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

followthemoney.org

Interesting organization you have there in Helena. I just added a link to them on Follow the Money (disambiguation) and uploaded their logo to the infobox. Wondering whether you've ever heard of them? wbm1058 (talk) 23:11, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

• Wbm1058, thanks for the note. Oh yes, I've heard of them, I actually worked for them one summer between my first and second year of law school, which was over 15 years ago, but I suppose that does give me a conflict -- What's your take on my COI if it comes to editing the article? I enjoyed working there, I did research on state supreme court elections, it was truly fascinating work -- a lot of research of public records databases -- hmmm, maybe that's why I like editing WP so much -- guess I enjoy research ...! Montanabw^(talk) 23:32, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Personally I don't have a problem with your editing the article, but if you want to be conservative about it to avoid any potential objections from the WP:COI patrol, put a {{Request edit}} on the talk page, I'd be happy to help out. A difficult topic to stay neutral about perhaps. How many people are truly neutral about Citizens United, I'd guess not many, at least among those who understand what it's about. wbm1058 (talk) 00:02, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Wow, I had no idea that Project Vote Smart was in Montana too! Was in MT. Hormonal torrent that is the young... lol. I've actually heard of that organization, and never would have guessed that they operated from a ranch in the middle of nowhere. wbm1058 (talk) 04:44, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, Phillipsburg is kind of the middle of nowhere, but it's pretty. We have places more middle of nowhere than there that aren't nearly as appealing (*cough* Jordan, Montana, *cough*). Montanabw^(talk) 05:31, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Whose Knowledge? News - February 2017

Thanks for all of your support for Whose Knowledge? so far! Get ready, we're going to need lots of your help in 2017 :)

What's new in 2017:

1. Volunteers needed

As Whose Knowledge? grows, there are lots of things to do! Can you help?

• Are you good with data entry, categories, mailing lists or social media? We especially need people to help with organizing knowledge for Dalit History Month, and building out our communications (including this monthly newsletter!) right now!
• If you're interested in volunteering for these or any other projects, please signup here

2. Pilot projects

Building partnerships and testing our approach with marginalized communities.

• Dalit History Month: We're working with Equality Labs to support Dalit communities in South Asia and the United States to map knowledge and create Wikipedia content. Dalit History Month edit-a-thons are coming in April!
• Women's Human Rights Defenders: In partnership with Urgent Action Fund, we'll be supporting a group of women's human rights defenders around the world with more mapping and wiki content creation. Themes and geographies coming soon!
• Kumeyaay Wikipedia Initiative: Following the 2016 Indigenous People's Day edit-a-thon, we're continuing to work with members of the Kumeyaay tribe in Southern California and Baja to map and contribute indigenous knowledge to Wikimedia projects. A discussion day with Kumeyaay community in San Diego is being planned for May. (and Montanabw, I'm going to come back to you about this in particular a bit later!)

3. Funding

We've got financial support for 2017!

• WMF grant: 6-month funding (February-July 2017) was approved to pilot our approach to mapping knowledge and creating Wikipedia content with the Dalit community and global women's human rights defenders. Thanks for all your endorsements!
• Shuttleworth Fellowship: Anasuya is a Shuttleworth Fellow! This means we'll be able to spend more time organizing, and have support for convenings, campaign infrastructure, etc.

4. Wikimedia Strategy

Find us at Wikimedia Conference.

• Anasuya and Siko will be carrying the Whose Knowledge? vision of diversity, pluralism and representation of marginalized communities into movement strategy conversations in Berlin March 2017.
• What's your vision for the Wikimedia movement? If you have a perspective that you'd like us to help represent in Berlin, please reach out and let us know!

In solidarity,

Siko (talk) 23:53, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Behavioural genetics

Replied at article

Didn't you see my comment on the talk page? No way that an unbalanced article like this is GA. 4 lines on animal research which represents at least half of all research on behavior genetics is absolutely insufficient. Just look at the tables of contents of the major journals in the field (Behavior Genetics (journal) and Genes, Brain and Behavior). Even the part on humans is not really balanced. From the article it seems like quantitative genetics is the major approach, even for psychiatric disorders. This is incorrect. While it is true for BG research on normal human behavior, there's a huge amount of research on the genetics of psychiatric disorders that doesn't even mention heritabilities (see the contents of journals like Molecular Psychiatry or American Journal of Medical Genetics Part B: Neuropsychiatric Genetics). Sorry to be so negative. I do appreciate all the work that has been done and the article is better than it was before. It's just not representative of the field, neither past nor present. --Randykitty (talk) 09:58, 11 February 2017 (UTC) Replying at article talk page. Montanabw(talk) 10:27, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Women's History Month

Hello! I was going to organize a local meet-up focused on Women's History Month. Unfortunately I broke my leg and ankle. It is going to be quite a while before I can do much. I'll probably still look at doing something this summer. Just wanted to let you know why I haven't progressed on this, so you weren't feeling left out. Thanks!--Tbennert (talk) 15:47, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

RfA

FYI. I would support you for RfA. I didn't notice the survey until after it closed. I'm not into Crystal balls, so am not going to speculate on other what other people would do. --David Tornheim (talk) 06:29, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Precious five years!

Precious

Five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

March 2017 at Women in Red

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Bull Riding Hall of Fame notability and AfD

Hi, just thought I'd write a quick note as this is my fourth article now, but my first article that has been recommended for speedy deletion. It's recommended for AfD due to notabilty, even though we did all that notability work before taking it live. I'm grateful to you for your help on getting the article ready for mainspace. Now I'll do what it talks to keep the article alive. Forward ho! dawnleelynn^(talk) 20:41, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Luckily, it wasn't your article that was speedied, it was one someone else started about a month ago. Yours is fine. Hugs! Montanabw^(talk) 20:56, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I thought we should at least have some discussion about it, but how weird that it happened right after we went live, that this past editor had another article with the same name! LOL! You are the best staying calm while I panicked...Hugs back! dawnleelynn^(talk) 20:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Page stalkers alert

Latest wiki-drama is here: Talk:Equine-assisted_therapy#Status_Quo_Ante. Issue is, basically, this. Issues involve interpretation and use of WP:MEDRS sources (Newbies, don’t go here, MEDRS and pseudoscience debates are pretty intense). Be interested in some viewpoints of experienced wikipedians who are not up to their ears in the article. Montanabw^(talk) 23:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

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Why thank you, Kingofaces43 now, please apply that to yourself as well. Montanabw^(talk) 00:32, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

animal welfare or vandalism on calf roping again

porcine.pig is back making edits to calf roping again. Rodeo may be next. Animal welfare or vandalism? Only you can tell...You reverted last time. dawnleelynn^(talk) 00:36, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Facebook is not a reliable source, and an isolated incident should not be generalized to an entire sport (see WP:SYNTH). The study out of Australia was legit, though, so I put in a summary of it, see what you think. Montanabw^(talk) 01:05, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I've requested semi-protection at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Calf roping. Looks like WP:ADVOCACY which is not allowed, whatever their intention. Anybody else is more than welcome to chime in on their opinion (pro or con). - Brianhe (talk) 01:47, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Brianhe. I think the editor in question passed the 4 day mark, so it may not help, but we shall see. Maybe a talkpage warning, today seems to be the day for those.  ;-) Montanabw^(talk) 02:19, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Brianhe, you verbalized something that had been bothering me about these "animal welfare" content editors for awhile now - but could not put my finger on. Just like on social media, they are all about advocating. They are not here on WP to add content for an Encyclopedia. I have had plenty of contact with them on social media and have seen enough of their advocacy there to know how they work. WP is just one more place to them where they can get their views online. They don't have NPOV. There are lots of issues surrounding animal activities - who's to say which are included or not - and they can't all be included. We are just here to describe the activity itself in the article. That's my thought. Thanks for chiming in. dawnleelynn^(talk) 04:46, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

There's a lot of essays about this topic. WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS is one. Montanabw^(talk) 04:49, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

WP:NOTHERE could also apply. Brianhe (talk) 05:02, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

LOL Yes, stick to the facts. :) dawnleelynn^(talk) 04:52, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I know that this issue is hopefully over for now, but I'm just going to chime in. Dawn, you hit the nail right on the head when you said that those type of editors are POV oriented and want only to advocate. Facebook is fine for that, but I agree with you that WP isn't the place for that kind of stuff, and well...I've seen just enough faked stuff on YouTube I wouldn't consider it reliable either. I'll admit I'm not a fan of these large national SPCAs and that kind of thing because most of them are getting more and more radical and PETA-like--they care more about protesting and trying to get laws that don't really improve anything passed than actually rescuing animals that need it. HSUS is a lobbying group that doesn't run a single animal shelter and they're now one of the biggest anti-rodeo groups (also one of my least favorite bunches of people on the planet for their anti-agriculture/hunting stance...some guy on Huffington post wrote a not so complimentary article about them a while back, it's well worth looking up.) Anyway, I think if there's a legit problem with something, we include it in the article, but we don't do the whole bunny-hugger "this is TORTURE save the cute whatever!" White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 22:54, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I always invite people to click the "about magic unicorns" tab,at the top of this page ;-) . Montanabw^(talk) 00:09, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I’m OK enough with HSUS, they are a lot less crazy than PETA, and good on some issues, but I wish they’d change their name to clarify that they are a lobbying group, not an association of shelters. Ironically, PETA does have shelters — and euthanizes a lot of animals; they say it’s because they take in the most-abused animals and many cannot be saved, but I don’t know how many pinocchios would be awarded by Politifact for that statement. Montanabw^(talk) 00:09, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

It's true that HSUS doesn't contribute much to shelters. This group https://www.humanewatch.org/ claims it is about 1%. If you want your money to go to shelters, you are better off contributing directly to the shelters or to the SPCA in your area, not the ASPCA or HSUS. And yes, I have seen the evidence about Peta's shelter activities from 2015. I think they are cleaning that up actually since government authorities in Virginia threatened to shut down their so called shelters. Cited that shelters actually keep animals on their premises and adopt them out. But again, I don't have any evidence other than what is on their social media sites. WAF, yes I have seen the advocacy from AR on YouTube. I especially enjoyed "Rodeo Bulls are Gentle Giants" by SHARK video. This is a good thing to teach children, NOT. I also enjoyed their one web page story version of what happened to Bodacious on their web site. They knew him better than his owners! LOL. dawnleelynn^(talk) 00:23, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Ah! But now we see the beauty of Wikipedia's insistence on verifiability and determining reliable sources. Humanewatch is an industry front. It is run by the Center for Organizational Research and Education, which “lobbies on behalf of the fast food, meat, alcohol and tobacco industries. So, rather like the Daily Mail, it is not a reliable source. The group is run by Richard Berman, who “is hired by companies to attack consumer, safety and environmental groups.” So, you see, you have to watch your sources! Bettter sources are those without this level of an agenda. IF you look up HSUS and Humanewatch both on Guidestar, you see that HSUS is a “silver” rated charity and you can access their IRS form 990 with a free login. Humanewatch via CORE provides no info to Guidestar, but you can still access their 990 (I think, I didn’t get a login, I would if I was going to be editing a lot of articles on non-profits). The two organizations have had a long-standing conflict: [1] HSUS is very good on issues like puppy mills and they have been diligent on the soring issue. (PETA is not involved to a large extent on either). Montanabw^(talk) 00:56, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Oh, yes. Didn't do my homework. I should know better after finding out that petakillsanimals.com turned out to be agricultural interests behind the scenes. Sigh. Note to Self: Don't take these orgs at face value. Thanks guys. dawnleelynn^(talk) 01:43, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review - newsletter No.3

Hello Montanabw,

Voting for coordinators has now begun HERE and will continue through/to 23:59 UTC Monday 06 March. Please be sure to vote. Any registered, confirmed editor can vote. Nominations are now closed.

Still a MASSIVE backlog

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My personal COI up the wazoo article improvement drive -- anyone interested?

In the past year, two people who each encouraged me to go to law school have passed away, one just this past weekend. One has a wikipedia article, the other does not (but should — pinging KingJeff1970 for the kickstart because he has access to offline source material) and if anyone wants to work on these biographies, it would be interesting for the editor and I’d be glad to pop by talk if I think anyone is going in the wrong direction. One was a “known” Republican before taking the bench, the other a “known” Democrat. They are former Montana Supreme Court chief justice Karla M. Gray and former associate justice William E. Hunt. (see also List of Justices of the Montana Supreme Court) To some extent, they were political adversaries of each other, but both mentors to me for whom I had great respect. My COI disclosure is that I knew both of them personally in a “we’d have coffee or lunch once in a while and I’d listen to their advice” way. I was not an employee of either of them, though Judge Hunt was one of my customers when I had a computer repair business — I used to fix his Mac. Both will have plenty of Google-able material and online obituaries. I also wrote a blog piece on Hunt when he passed, if someone wants to email me for the link — it’s not a RS, of course, but I linked the piece to some RS, like a good editor should! Montanabw^(talk) 18:55, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Request assistance with table formatting

Hi all, I have three tables in this article Bull Riding Hall of Fame which just went live this week. I noticed that the first table developed an extra, empty column. And the second two tables had extra, empty rows at the bottom. When I used the Visual Editor to correct this, well it looked right. But I forgot to use Preview before saving. At any rate, now the columns are all misaligned and the extra column is still there in the first table. I am not having any success in trying to correct this. But I haven't done much work with tables yet. I actually copied the first table from another article Country Music Hall of Fame and used it for my purposes.

Also, in the article Bushwacker, I copied a table on pedigree that I liked in montanabw's article California Chrome. But, of course, now using it for a bull. Naturally, they haven't been keeping track of bucking bull pedigrees as long as horses. They are now, but Bushwacker's pedigree does not fill out the table nearly as well as California Chrome. And the last column only has one entry, and the cells are very smooshed. Is there anything I can do to make the table look better, or would it be better not to use the table in this case? dawnleelynn^(talk) 17:50, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I fixed the empty column. The only way to guarantee that columns line up is to consolidate the information into one table. I've done that as an example for you, and the way it's presented there is the most accessible (and could also be sortable if required). However, if you really, really, wanted to separate out the years with pseudo-headers, I could re-do the table for you with the year as a row spanning all of the columns, and not as an extra cell in each row. That would be less accessible and wouldn't be sortable, but that's up to you.

In Bushwhacker, I've un-smooshed the cells by simply putting a non-breaking space in each of the empty ones. If you leave a table cell empty, the browser sees that as an excuse to make the cell as small as it can, hence the smooshing.

Whatever you don't like, feel free to revert, you won't offend me. Hope that helps. --RexxS (talk) 19:52, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

RexxS (talk · contribs) Hi, first of all, thanks for your help. I probably would have spent too much time on it myself. I've done plenty with tables in Word and HTML, but this table just wouldn't let me select that column. I got the table from List of Country Music Hall of Fame inductees not the article above I mentioned actually. Their tables are all separate and stay lined up, so I thought that would be okay. The one thing I liked about separate table was as the article grows longer with each year of inductions, there would be an entry in the TOC to click. Otherwise, one table or many shouldn't matter as much. And it did cross my mind about putting in headers for each year, but like you said then you can't sort. I've run into that issue in MS Word too. Since montanabw did much work on this article too, I tempted to see what she thinks first. And just digest it for a bit. So, again, I am most grateful. Bushwacker looks awesome, and now I know how to fix this issue myself the next I use the table for a similar pedigree. Will post here if we make a change that you might interesting. Have a great day! dawnleelynn^(talk) 20:12, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Draft article Glossary of rodeo terms

To everyone that works in the WikiProject Equine with montanabw (or anyone that just has useful feedback too). I happened upon the Glossary of equestrian terms. I found it to be extremely helpful and pleasantly formatted. I suggested to montanabw that we do one for bull riding, or even for rodeo. She liked the idea of doing one for rodeo. So I created a draft article in my User space, Glossary of rodeo terms. I was able to find a few terms in the same online references as the equine article. But now I am only seeing many of the terms I want to define in the Dictionary at www.pbr.com, which is The Professional Bull Riders web site. What I don't know is if it would be the same as using terms from Merriam-Webster if we were to use the PBR's terms with credit. I need some help making sure I don't violate any copyright. Also, I'd like to make the article live so that anyone in the three WikiProjects (2 agriculture and 1 equine) could start using it to add words (or improve). I'm not sure if there are any horse articles that involve rodeo? Anyone is welcome to edit the article in my Sandbox. dawnleelynn^(talk) 18:02, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

This article is almost all copyright violation (whew, false alarm but good lesson

Hi, I was working on this article today. I had found some more honors for Jim Shoulders while I was working on a notable bull article, a bull he had owned so there was overlap. I created the bull article here in my User pages: Tornado (bull) yesterday. One of the sources I found for Tornado contained text that seemed familiar for the honors. So I started comparing the honors in the source to the previous honors before I had started changing them. Word for word match. But then I noticed that more was similar. Practically the entire article is a word for word copy of this new source I found. The source is not a reference in the Jim Shoulders article, but there sure is a lot of it in the article. Word for word pretty much. I'd like someone else to take a look and verify and then let me know what I'm supposed to do next. If you go back to the 09:30, 18 January 2017 version of the article, you'll see the honors show how they were before I did any editing of them. That's where they will look the same as the source. I haven't even used the source in Tornado yet. This is the source: https://alchetron.com/Jim-Shoulders-1041129-W dawnleelynn^(talk) 21:25, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Copyright violations are very serious and you should take a look at WP:COPY and WP:COPYVIO when you get the time. However in this case, the source you are looking at is a mirror of our article - you can see the attribution to "Jim Shoulders Wikipedia" (linked) and "CC-BY-SA" at the bottom of the page. So our article came first and there's no copvio {phew!}. The only thing you need to be aware of is not to use that article as a source for anything in Wikipedia - it's called "citogenesis" and there's an amusing XKCD comic] about it. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 22:46, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

RexxS (talk · contribs) Thanks for your quick reply. Yes, I did find it amazing that it could still be word for word with so many different users having touched it since creation. I have seen article text being siphoned into other sites before but in an obvious way. This site had the look of a real site using so many pictures and a video in between paragraphs that it didn't occur to me it could be a mirror. And I did overlook the attributions at the bottom. But you can bet that will never happen again. Fortunately, I did notice the similarity so I didn't end up using the source for Tornado. Whew! Well, it wouldn't have been the same words, but still. And yes, that bit about citogenesis is important. I am always so careful that I cite everything I add. But what I write is only as accurate as my source. And cute comic, by the way. Nice sense of humor. I appreciate your help, truly. Glad it turned out to be a false alarm. I should have paid more attention, this was not a news site...grrr. hehe. Cheers to you too! dawnleelynn^(talk) 23:30, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Just saying hi

I hope you've been well and are having a good new year. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:30, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

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About 2017 Kentucky Derby - could you possibly look into this?

Hi MBW.
This page was at one point nominated for speedy deletion.
At present, I can find only betting websites about this, little that could verify which horses will race, and so on.
Pete "my iron horse is actually made of Aluminum" AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

It's a bit premature to start it as at this point we only know the date. There is lots of stuff out there on bloodhorse.com, drf.com etc but its pretty much all speculation with two months and all the major preps to go. If don't want to delete, could link to the article on the 2017 Road to the Kentucky Derby and maybe a brief discussion of leading contenders. Steve Haskins Derby Dozen articles at the bloodhorse could also serve as a source for early favorites. Or delete for now and wait until April to create, when things start to firm up.

Also, should copy the top and bottom sections from the 2016 Kentucky Derby article, with dates updated but all details left out. Jlvsclrk (talk) 10:01, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Oh FFS! Calling all page stalkers to dive in here, I'm overbooked at the moment. Just look at the early versions of 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, and so on, copy, paste, repeat. Upload the logo from https://www.kentuckyderby.com once they release it and @Brudder Andrusha:, Stevietheman for help. The race has only been run annually since 1876. Good lord, speedied LESS THAN ONE MINUTE AFTER CREATION? Also pinging Kudpung for advice on how to deal with people who put up bogus speedies with completely inadequate WP:BEFORE. Worst case of “I’ve never heard of it so it must not be notable” that I’ve ever seen! **headdesk** ARGH! Montanabw^(talk) 03:42, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Don't panic! (sounds familiar). The Cavalry is on its way. The request for more context and sources was reasonable, so I've obliged, albeit minimally for now. Be gentle with that desk. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 04:58, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, my head is hard enough that I'd probably crack formica, LOL! Montanabw^(talk) 18:15, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

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