Talk:Sailor Pluto

General editing

I'm going to start sorting the profiles into their variations in order in compliance with AMP's guidelines. This may include moving around things, and making it look like I did a ton of edits. I assure you I will try my best to not delete info from this unless I'm pretty sure it's unsupported and then I'll bring it up here. If you have a gripe with an edit, or think I deleted something, please don't hesitate to bring it up, but for the stuff I delete, I need some sort of episode support or act or interview support for it. I won't accept 3rd party sources, such as fan pages. (Manga, Anime, Dub, Musical, Sera Myu) I'll be adding one quote from the manga from Chibiusa to cover what was discussed above, without getting into a debate if she's a different person, just to state her form, height and appearance changed significantly. Any other stuff you can put up for discussion and debate. --Hitsuji Kinno 19:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Two notes! One is that the Materials Collection says "On the future Earth time travel is forbidden." What do you make of that? Seems like an odd distinction.

Second, I /like/ the stuff explaining their uniforms. :P Maybe it just needs a better location and a different level of specificity, but I think it's great. (Also, I'm going to remove your "catering to the blind" thing, since as far as I know WP does in fact try to be accessible to screen-readers and such. Which means the blind are in fact potential readers, which means that's no reason to remove the descriptions.) --Masamage 19:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Then the descriptions need to be better handled and not just thrown in haphazardly. I'll give you a run down example of my gripe with the descriptions.

Sailor Pluto's first form shows up in Sailor Moon R, she wears a black sailor collar, skirt and a choker with a red jewel on it. She has green hair and ruby eyes. Her boots are knee-high and she has dark skin.

However, after she died in the manga version only, she grew to be taller than Haruka, was generally stronger, had more presence than before and eventually donned a new uniform. This new uniform had a black bow, a black sailor collar and a pair of black boots, also knee high. The broach is dark red and the back bow is longer with the tails reaching the middle of her knees.

The last form has her with kind of a green-ginger hair, and tall, with red eyes, wearing a double skirt uniform. It has a star theme to it, with a black skirt, a gray underskirt, white boots with v top, black ribbon lining it, and a black choker in a v shape that has a star on it.

So what's my gripe then? My gripe is that it lists the first form in the most undescriptive way possible. So even if there were no pictures, and you are catering to a group that doesn't see the pictures, there is no way they would able to see the characters. It also doesn't run down through any kind of variations. The majority of the descriptions are anime-based with little or no reality as to the kinds of pictures drawn for the character. If we really aspire to help those who cannot view the page, then we should actually do so, instead of a manner that really is all together very, very vague. In addition it should cover things like physical changes over time. Ami's hair grew longer, Setsuna's bun lowered, Usagi's hair tails grew longer, the Sailor Suits changed, color schemes varied. If we really want to cater to people who are blind or sight-impaired, then we should be precise, concise, and list the variations over time as well as give a general idea of the rendering of the character. As the physical descriptions of the characters are now, they pretty much are useless, subjective or basically lie (Rei's profile, for example said idealized Japanese beauty black hair, when technically from the highlights it's dark, dark purple almost black and in the manga violet). Some person out there is a writer. And some writer can go through the characters and describe them with being subjective without similes and be precise, don't you think? Go through the versions and not just approximate them. Seriously, I can't picture anything with the current descriptions. They can't be an afterthought. They have to be careful and well-thought out so it doesn't look like someone threw them in there just because. --Hitsuji Kinno 03:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that the only options are "Never ever speak of their physical appearance EVER" or "Go into exhaustive and intricate detail." Sometimes it needs to be mentioned offhand so that we can point something out, such as Chibiusa actually having pink hair, or Lady Serenity having cone-shaped odango, or Haruka having a boyish haircut, or Jupiter being tall for a Japanese girl, or Rei and Michiru being considered extremely beautiful by all who meet them. Also, if you're going to throw around words like "lie" you shouldn't misquote things--the Rei article says she has dark hair, not black hair. --Masamage

Exctly, in the manga, Rei's hair sometimes has a bluish tint to it and Uranus's Hair went from White to Sandy Blonde, we shold be very carful in the way we discribe thingsLego3400: The Sage of Time 03:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Outfit

Did anyone else notice her outfit is just a black version of Mercury's original outfit (Manga and PGSM)? Lego3400: The Sage of Time 17:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

She doesn't have the shoulder pads and I believe her boots have high-heels, whereas Ami's were flat soled. And weren't her gloves shorter, or was that just Uranus and Neptune? -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 09:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Mercury doesn't have shoulder pads, either. --Masamage 19:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Lead Image

I've been searching for an image that will match the one on Haruka's page so we can finish the set already! It's pathetic that the Outers are suffering... http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/s/sailplut.jpg this one is part of a set that would have to be censored. I don't particularly like this one. (Better than nothing thought) http://www.perryandtsua.com/Sailor_Moon/Sailor_Pluto.jpg this one is also a bit obnoxious, but is part of that set that the Sailor Uranus pic belongs to. Crop it and censor the words... maybe give it a better background? So that's our options. Kind of sad, but better than nothing. --Hitsuji Kinno 05:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I like it... Its not that Bad...Lego3400: The Sage of Time

I think the ones from the set she linked to first, there, are the best we're gonna find. I've been trying to track down some quality, maching files, but so far haven't found them all in one place. --Masamage 02:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Time Stop

Jikan yo Tomare means.... What? Could some one fill this in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs)

It means "Time Stop." SURPRISE! --Masamage 02:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Luna p

on the dub the first time chibiusa uses luna p to talk to pluto it shows plutos sillowet but Lunas voice comes out Il check te episode in a sec but i remember it happening (if im right but im realy sure because i watch it reacently) thats got to be one of the bigest mistake the dubs made ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 18:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

You're correct. It's a famous screwup. --Masamage 19:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

oh cool how the heck did they think luna was pluto they don't sound the same and how do you get luna out of plu...Hmm pluna? ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 19:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you haven't looked at the future episodes, it's not 100% unreasonable to think that the Luna P itself is talking and that it should sound like what it looks like. --Masamage 19:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

you think that would teach the dubs to watch evrey episode first oh wait cloverway screwd up with helios saying chibusa's name with out watching the reasion he never did it in the orignal never mind ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 19:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Music Storage

A number of songs featuring Sailor Pluto's character have been released.

Unlike most of the other Senshi, Sailor Pluto does not have an image song for the anime, although she does have an instrumental piece called "Garnet Guardian".

From the musicals, sung by various actresses:

• "Stay Alone"
• "Onna no Ronsou" (Woman's Conflicts/A Woman's Dispute) (Duet with Queen Beryl)
• "Fukkastu! Crisis Yurusumazi" (Revival! We Won't Allow a Crisis) (With the Outer Senshi)
• "Kokoro Tabanete Makin' for the Right" (Bundle the Heart, Makin' for the Right)
• "Forbidden Hades"

References

Dead Scream: A pun?

Do you think its safe to say that the Anime was makeing a pun with Dead Scream by haveing Pluto wisper it? Its very obvious that they are but i want to make sure that it would be NOPV and all that jazzLego3400: The Sage of Time 15:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's a pun per se. The kanji for the word 'scream' in that attack name is more like 'heavy breathing'. Seems like just a stylistic choice to me. --Masamage ♫ 22:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Next up for GA

This article's in pretty good shape; I'd like to make it the next thing we nominate for GA, after Minako's run is finished. I intend to rewrite the profile section, as usual; is there anything else we need to fix up in the meantime? And is there any crucial info we're missing, such as dub personality tweaks? --Masamage ♫ 02:32, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

For the profile re-write, it's unclear as to whether it's talking about the anime/manga, and there's a fair amount of Sailor Pluto stuff in the profile. Mind you, I think Sailor Pluto's on-duty more than the others... Would it be horribly OR to say that her uniform's coloured in shades of black and garnet?  ;) -Malkinann 03:14, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

In the dub despite being a thousnds year old being who gaurded the gates of time she spoke with an american valley girl dialect ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 09:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Valley Girl Setsuna, courtesy of SM Uncensored. -Malkinann 10:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed move to Sailor Pluto

Please be aware of the discussion at WP:SM about moving this article to the title Sailor Pluto. --Masamage ♫ 18:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC) Consensus seems to have been reached, so here goes! I'll move it, then rewrite the lead, then clean redirects and such. --Masamage ♫ 02:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced quotes and missing refs

"The anime plays up Setsuna's obvious loneliness as a result of her position by having Sailor Moon feel pity for her in internal monologue." What's this.. this sounds fabricated... I don't remember a monologue from Setsuna at all in the Black Moon arc--she didn't exist then, Setsuna existed later... And even in Super she was talking to Chibiusa. And the other quote that's unsourced comes from Original book 5.--Hitsuji Kinno 20:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

No, I read that as Sailor Moon inner-monologuing about Setsuna. Is that the "violated the law" and must be "eliminated" part? or is it the "Star of the Underworld" part? -Malkinann 20:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

regardless, it needs to be cleaned up... given a context, and in addition figure out if it was Setsuna or Sailor Pluto that the commentary was talking about...--Hitsuji Kinno 04:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it does. Which of the other quotes that are unsourced come from the original run, book five? Is it the bit where she accuses Sailor Moon of violating the law?? or is it the bit where she says she's from the Star of the Underworld???-Malkinann 10:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Not a planet

Pluto is not a planet. 88.18.149.203 (talk) 21:33, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

This story was originally written in 1991-1997. The "demotion" of Pluto to a dwarf planet didn't happen until 2006. Pluto was a planet at the time the story was written. --Rob Kelk 00:23, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Setsuna "derivation"

There's an uncited statement quote that "Trista" came from "setsuna" （せつな） as a derivative of "setsunai" （切ない） as "sadness", and then there's a whole bunch of stuff previous to it that supports it. The problem is that that isn't how Japanese works from a structural standpoint.　　The い is an adjectival, and generally an abbreviation of a Classical Japanese ending き or し. So this is like "break off a piece so it looks like something else, so that has to be what it is." It's about as silly as, well, saying "silly" derives from "sill" and it therefore related to a window. There no actual support for it linguistically, so I've dumped it as OR.

There was also an etymological statement that it might be a Buddhist term from Chinese (which was not given and is 刹那, by the way) and also has no basis. Now, the fact that it's in hiragana might point to it being the case (many times, "complicated words" above the reading level of the work are spelled out phonetically), but unless Takeuchi says, "Yes, that's it", then it is also OR to say or speculate that that's what it is, and so I removed that as well. MSJapan (talk) 19:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)