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December 19

December 19, 2021 (2021-12-19) (Sunday)

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December 18

December 18, 2021 (2021-12-18) (Saturday)

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RD: Richard Rogers

Article: Richard Rogers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Italian-British architect. Article requires some work but should be ready soon. Ktin (talk) 01:59, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

December 17

December 17, 2021 (2021-12-17) (Friday)

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  • Russia–NATO relations
    • Russia demands that NATO end all military activity in Eastern Europe and never admit Ukraine as a member of the military alliance, saying that it wants a legally binding guarantee to end further eastward NATO expansion. Other demands include a Russian veto on Ukrainian membership in NATO, the removal of U.S. nuclear weapons from Europe, and the withdrawal of multinational NATO battalions from Poland and the Baltics. (Reuters)
    • A senior Biden regime official says that the U.S. is "prepared to discuss Russia's proposals" with its NATO allies, but says that "there are some things in those documents that the Russians know will be unacceptable." (Axios)

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Osaka building fire

Article: 2021 Osaka building fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A building fire breaks out in Osaka, Japan, killing 27 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Twenty-four people die in a building fire in Osaka, Japan.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, AP, BBC, Guardian, Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Worthy a blurb when expanision comes. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 14:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(closed) New Prime Minister of Czech Republic

Was posted back in October when the election was held. --Jayron32 18:35, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Petr Fiala (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Petr Fiala (pictured) takes office as Prime Minister of the Czech Republic as part of a coalition government. (Post)
News source(s): Aljazzera, dpa, Guardian, Reuters
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Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Change of the head of goverment of an EU country, WP:ITNR. BastianMAT (talk) 13:57, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's whomever has actual power, be it the president or the PM; it's not just head of state anymore. 331dot (talk) 14:38, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
According to List of current heads of state and government it's the PM, not the president, so ITNR is correct. 331dot (talk) 14:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) The policy at WP:ITNR states, "Changes in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election." The prime minister of the Czech Republic is listed as the primary executive, so THAT is the position that qualifies for ITNR. --Jayron32 14:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In line with the nomination for Bulgarian PM, we posted the result of election in October with Fiala likely PM, so this would be a duplication. I'd only support posting twice if at the time of the election it is not sure who will head the government, and then when the government is formed. --Tone 16:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as non-ITNR Since we posted formation of the coalition with Fiala as PM,[1] this is not ITNR. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as we already posted this change of government on 10 October. No need to post it again. This would be like posting the results of the US election, and posting it again on the day the President takes office. Which makes no sense. This is a stale nom, as the election was in October. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:53, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Typhoon Rai

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Article: Typhoon Rai (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 31 people are dead after Typhoon Rai hits the Philippines. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hundreds of thousands of people flee their homes as Typhoon Rai hits the Philippines.
News source(s): Reuters, Al-Jazeera, Washington Post GMA News NDRRMC AP News
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Article updated

 Ainty Painty (talk) 05:50, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Preceding comment posted by Hurricane Noah. – Sca (talk) 14:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's not about the number of deaths, it is about climate change/global warming causing severe weather events such as in the US concurrently this late in the year and extremely-rapid change to cat-5 intensity.
I edited the blub to include super typhoon, ect. but it still feels inadequit considering the impact in my slightlt biased opinion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
GSMC(Chief Mike) Kouklis U.S.NAVY Ret. ⛮🇺🇸 / 🇵🇭🌴⍨talk 18:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We don't really cover events just because they may be tied to global warming. ITN is not good for superlatitive stories (eg this being the strongest storm since 20XX). We are looking at deaths and damage, not just that it happened during a period where these storms can happen in that area of the world. --Masem (t) 18:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the "super" as the designation is unofficial. Destroyeraa (Alternate account) 20:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Log4Shell

Closed as stale. --Tone 09:19, 17 December 2021 (UTC) Re-closing as stale; it is older than our oldest post. 331dot (talk) 10:01, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Log4Shell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Log4Shell, a zero-day exploit, is publicly disclosed, possibly affecting hundreds of millions of devices. (Post)
News source(s): Ars Technica, Financial Times, Wired
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Nominator's comments: Although this may not the sexiest news event, it possibly has some of the largest impacts. Many sources describing this as one of the most severe if not "the most severe vulnerability ever". 1 Estimated that hundreds of millions of devices were affected by this with the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency director calling Log4Shell "one of the most serious I’ve seen in my entire career, if not the most serious". This happened a few days ago, but we are now learning about the impact. WMrapids (talk) 02:09, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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December 16

December 16, 2021 (2021-12-16) (Thursday)

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RD: Stefan Keil

Article: Stefan Keil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jamaica
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sudden death of an ambassador, became ill in the office - article new, a start Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lucía Hiriart

Article: Lucía Hiriart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 12:23, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bogalay Tint Aung

Article: Bogalay Tint Aung (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Burmese RFA Burmese
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Htanaungg (talk) 08:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Henry Orenstein

Article: Henry Orenstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6], [7], [8]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Recent death —Mooonswimmer (talk) 16:21, 16December 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Thwaites glacier has been destabilized

WP:SNOW, rather ironically. --Jayron32 16:03, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Thwaites Glacier (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thwaites Glacier is at risk of accelerated melting, raising global sea levels by feet within the next decades (Post)
News source(s): NBC, CIRES
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: "“Thwaites is the widest glacier in the world,” said Ted Scambos, a senior research scientist at the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES). “It’s doubled its outflow speed within the last 30 years, and the glacier in its entirety holds enough water to raise sea level by over two feet. And it could lead to even more sea-level rise, up to 10 feet, if it draws the surrounding glaciers with it.” " Count Iblis (talk) 04:31, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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December 15

December 15, 2021 (2021-12-15) (Wednesday)

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RD: Fayez Tarawneh

Article: Fayez Tarawneh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/jordan/2021/12/15/former-jordanian-pm-fayez-tarawneh-dead-at-72/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Does RD have the stomach for another short (300 words) wikibio? Anyone familiar with Middle Eastern politics are encouraged to help beef up this wikibio for a former PM of Jordan. --PFHLai (talk) 01:01, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: bell hooks

Article: bell hooks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Lexington Herald-Leader, The Guardian, USA Today, NPR, NBC News, NYT, Wall St. Journal, BBC News, AlJazeera
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Just died - prominent American academic and activist —Tom Morris (talk) 18:00, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New prime minister of Tonga

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Article: Siaosi Sovaleni (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Siaosi Sovaleni is elected Prime Minister of Tonga by the legislature. (Post)
News source(s): SCMP, Matangi Tonga
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The general election was last month. Joofjoof (talk) 11:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

LaserLegs In this case, it wasn't a foregone conclusion, because most of the deputies are independent. Even the two candidates for prime minister (Sovaleni and Eke) are not affiliated to any party.KittenKlub (talk) 19:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This article covers the coalition building in detail. Joofjoof (talk) 19:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Most of those "independents" all rage quit the Democratic Party of the Friendly Islands it was essentially a third party calling itself "independent" of which Sovaleni is the leader. Come on. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think this article might show how uncertain it was (I was actually surprised that the nobles didn't do their usual and unite behind the minority candidate). As for most of the independents being former PTOA, that's due to the history of their extremely recent democracy, and its worth noting that most were elected against PTOA (and PTOA factional) candidates.--IdiotSavant (talk) 23:10, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Since we didn't post the election, and since there was no "major party" win, it seems unusual enough to stand on it's own as an ITN nom but it still feels like a loophole ITNR. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Due respect, but I don't see this as a technicality at all. The language is "Changes in the holder of the office...except when that change was already posted as part of a general election." Even if we had posted the election, we could not have posted the change in the holder of the office. This specific issue was adjudicated previously. Because coalition governments are usually headed by the election winner, we don't need to post twice (see Ireland in 2020). But if a different person emerges, it's very much noteworthy. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

December 14

December 14, 2021 (2021-12-14) (Tuesday)

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(Posted) RD: Jethro

Article: Jethro (comedian) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Metro
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Mjroots (talk) 09:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ken Kragen

Article: Ken Kragen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Producer that organized "We Are the World" and "Hands Across America". Article needs some sourcing help Masem (t) 01:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Riccardo Ehrman

Article: Riccardo Ehrman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ansa
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: That Italian journalist who asked the best question at the best time in 1989. The article is a Start, but KittenKlub has done a good job of citing sources and expanding the content. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:37, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Cap-Haïtien fuel tanker explosion

Article: Cap-Haïtien fuel tanker explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fuel tanker explosion in Cap-Haïtien kills at least 60 people. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Reuters, AlJazeera, AFP (via France 24),dpa
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I know we don't like bus plunge-type stories but I think this is worth discussing. At least 50 dead. Haitian president Ariel Henry has declared three days of national mourning. Article is obviously not up to snuff yet - Dumelow (talk) 14:18, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Abraham Lunggana

Article: Abraham Lunggana (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9] (in Indonesian)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: (Mostly) local politician in Jakarta Juxlos (talk) 05:23, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

December 13

December 13, 2021 (2021-12-13) (Monday)

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(Posted) RD: Blackberri

Article: Blackberri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bay Area Reporter
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American singer-songwriter and community activist. TJMSmith (talk) 20:39, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Long enough and with enough footnotes, this wikibio is READY for RD. I'm mildly concerned about the copyright status of the photo in the infobox, though. Really cc-by-4.0? --PFHLai (talk) 18:00, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Charles R. Morris

Article: Charles R. Morris (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American banker and economist. Article requires significant uplift before it can be ready for homepage / RD. I will get to it later tonight. If someone wants to get to it before me, please feel free to do so. Ktin (talk) 15:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jimmy Rave

Article: Jimmy Rave (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily Mirror, PWInsider
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former professional wrestler. Sceptre (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Verónica Forqué

Article: Verónica Forqué (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Mundo, El País
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Spanish actress. NoonIcarus (talk) 20:47, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Miss Universe 2021

WP:SNOW close. Unlikely to generate consensus to post. --Jayron32 17:38, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Miss Universe 2021 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Harnaaz Sandhu of India is crowned Miss Universe 2021. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Miss Universe 2021, held in Eilat,Israel, Harnaaz Sandhu of India is crowned as the winner.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
 ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 16:44, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • To take your question about the other Universe competitions at face value, I don't think we generally post any of them (or ITN/R would be involved...), but to ask that is to imply that all events run by the same company are equally newsworthy and otherwise notable. Kingsif (talk) 17:55, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why aren't the spectators wearing bikinis? Should de rigueur. – Sca (talk) 15:08, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • What makes the pageant organizers an authority on beauty, and what impact does the pageant have on society? Would you nominate my 331dot's Beauty Pageant? Movies and beauty are two completely different animals, as is The Academy and the organizers of this event. 331dot (talk) 20:08, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Objets de femmes? – Sca (talk) 14:55, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"The sexual objectification of women involves them being viewed primarily as an object of male sexual desire, rather than as a whole person". Not just in France, in fact. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Conviction of Inger Støjberg

WP:SNOW closing. Unlikely to develop consensus to post --Jayron32 18:06, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Inger Støjberg (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Denmark, former Minister for Integration Inger Støjberg is impeached and sentenced to sixty days in prison. (Post)
News source(s): Euronews
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Not sure if this passes muster for ITN, but it seems significant. According to the BBC [10], this was Denmark's first impeachment trial since 1995, with their only being six in history, so this is not a country where they take such decisions lightly. I understand the article on the trial itself is pretty short, and that nobody updated the bio until me, but the story itself seems notable. Allowing for alt blurbs if the legalese is incorrect. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:41, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Which Spanish ministers are in prison due to conduct related to their job? I would have supported that too. 331dot (talk) 21:15, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is light compared to the general population, but rare for high government officials. If Donald Trump sees the inside of a cell for only 24 hours, it would be big news.331dot (talk) 21:22, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If you need to compare the president of the United States to a low-ranking minister in Denmark, you are not making the point that you think you are. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:02, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
GreatCaesarsGhost I'm not comparing the former President to anything, just noting it is rare for high government officials to see prison. If it makes you feel better, use Wilbur Ross. 331dot (talk) 22:15, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's still the wrong form of government. This is like Birthe Rønn Hornbech getting pinched for the Palestinian sagsbehandling. Or Rikke Hvilshøj's car catching fire. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:27, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you're comprehending how short a sentence this is. The punishment for simple assault is up to 6 months. I know someone who received several years for signing for his roommate's parcel delivery. I have no doubt Ross committed many crimes during his time in office. While I would be suprised if he faced prosecution for any of them, I would certainly see a two-month sentence as a miscarriage of justice. Aside, it is extremely bad form to criticise every !vote on a nom you disagree with. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:06, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The blurb should be altered in that case. Still, can't see a case for a ministerial impeachment being notable enough for ITN in Denmark or otherwise [doesn't appear to be an above the fold news internationally as well, even Euro News somewhat buries it]. Heads of state/government would have been different (which is ITNR, I believe). Gotitbro (talk) 22:07, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Though, I would like to add, the reason for her impeachment is interesting and important enough (related to the current immigration crisis) and I would perhaps support if presented in the blurb as such. But the article is no shape to be on the main page: half uncited, half is of controversies with an unneeded fork on impeachment to boot. Gotitbro (talk) 22:11, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose My opinion is that if "government ministers who were imprisoned due to actions in office" are a thing then this ITN would be brimming with social ministers. Basically with the exception of one cabinet, every social minister in the last cabinet is now serving time in prison. Last time our social minister was technically "almost sentenced to death". So, yeah, this isn't a thing. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 02:20, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Jeromi, Alsoriano. Lacks general significance; scant reader interest. – Sca (talk) 13:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm curious as to how you judged reader interest for the English speaking world, and where that is found in WP:ITN as a criteria. It does state "To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them." 331dot (talk) 15:02, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I quickscanned my (secure) personal memory/factoid database, which comprises more than 500 million items. – Sca (talk) 15:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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New Prime Minister of Bulgaria

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Article: Kiril Petkov (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kiril Petkov (pictured) is elected Prime Minister of Bulgaria as part of a coalition government. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Kiril Petkov (pictured) is elected Prime Minister of Bulgaria as part of a coalition government, ending 8 months of political stalemate.
News source(s): RadioFreeEurope Bulgarian National Television
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Change of the head of goverment of an EU country, WP:ITNR. Ends an 8 month political stalemate after 3 national elections. BastianMAT (talk) 14:25, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose on quality surely there's more that can be said about him other than the last 3 months? Also, article is in violation of WP:Controversy sections- this should be covered in a general paragraph. Also, infobox implies he gave up Canadian citizenship, but this isn't in article anywhere? Also, the parties in the coalition aren't sourced in his article, we shouldn't be blurbing text not found in the bolded article. In principle, support as change of government is ITNR, but the article isn't quite good enough yet IMO. Also added an ALT2, as not sure listing all those party acronyms is helpful in ITN blurb. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:54, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above; there's rather large gaps in his biography and I would expect more for a major world leader. Furthermore, WP:PROSELINE is a problem; the article would need to be re-written into a more natural narrative tone. --Jayron32 15:34, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the proposed image has been nominated for deletion on Commons, though I believe the deletion rationale is incorrect. The copyright status of that photo should be checked by an admin before adding the image on front page here. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:41, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I don't see the article in bad condition. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and not ITN/R. We posted the election, this is a formality. [11] --LaserLegs (talk) 19:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is ITNR. Since he is leading a coalition, there was no guarantee he was going to be the PM after the election results were announced. Changes in the principle executive are posted. LL has proposed changing this, which is within their rights to do, but as it is now, ITNR is correct here. 331dot (talk) 22:00, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • We posted his coalition won most votes. Back then, it was likely he would become the next PM. To merit another post, it would have to be someone else becoming the PM. My opinion. --Tone 14:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

December 12

December 12, 2021 (2021-12-12) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) Grey Cup

Article: 108th Grey Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the 108th Grey Cup, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers defeat the Hamilton Tiger-Cats in overtime, 33-25. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Canadian football, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers defeat the Hamilton Tiger-Cats in overtime to win the Grey Cup
News source(s): CTV, TSN, CBC,
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITN/R sports event happened. Article is good quality and is nearly ready for ITN. NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:11, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tradition! – Sca (talk) 15:22, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Roland Hemond

Article: Roland Hemond (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Athletic, MLB.com
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 23:54, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) MLS Cup 2021

WP:SNOW close. Highly unlikely to generate consensus to post. --Jayron32 17:37, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: MLS Cup 2021 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Major League Soccer, New York City FC defeat Portland Timbers to win their first MLS Cup. (Post)
News source(s): [12] [13]
Credits:
 JanderVK (talk)
Gosh, I thought MLS stood for Multiple Listing Service. – Sca (talk) 00:00, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's because Americans decided to call it major, like how they call the winner of most of their sports a "world champion". Their choice of nonsense naming sytem doesn't make this an important league. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:31, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair even if the US had the best team in the world you would never let them play in your major leagues cause they're all in the British or B+1 time zone but if a handegg, Yank netball, Yankee cricket or ice hockey player is better than like one guy in one of our 4 major leagues they almost invariably become a player thus making the 4 leagues noticeably stronger than any other league of that sport in the world. So the winners are world champions even though London can never play (unless an eccentric billionaire manages to move one of the shit teams there, like the Pittsburgh Pirates) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:09, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What does CONCACAF stand for? Cón caffeíne but with a stutter? If New York City Football Club beats the 2022 CONCACAF Champions League (which has Liga MX® clubs) then a soccer team from the NY area would enter the Club World Cup for the first time! (like the world cup but not for countries) They play in Yankee Stadium! Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:47, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The final was attended by just 25,000 spectators, this isn't a major league like the Premier League, Spanish La Liga or German Bundesliga. Any other football league with those comparatively low attendences wouldn't even be considered here. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:54, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes we know soccer is not a big 4 sport here, you don't have to rub it in. Liga MX almost always wins the continent and is usually defeated by the CONMEBOL team if they meet who then usually lose to UEFA. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:16, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes we know soccer is not a big 4 sport here, you don't have to rub it in. Wasn't trying to, but your other point that Liga MX is much better highlights my point: we wouldn't post that league, and so we shouldn't post the less important US league. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:07, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just FYI, the final's low attendance is due to the venue's constraints. The 2018 and 2019 finals both got upwards of 69,000 spectators (both sellouts of American football venues). SounderBruce 07:14, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted RD) RD/Blurb: Vicente Fernández

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Article: Vicente Fernández (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Mexican singer-songwriter Vicente Fernández (pictured) dies at 81. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Unquestionable notability. I'm working on his article, but I'm already making the nomination in case it can serve as a call for other users to participate, there is a lot of work to do. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:47, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Blurb I added a potential blurb, as Fernandez was one of Mexico's (as well as the Latin-American world's) most notable and beloved musicians, sold over 50 million records, and even has a Hollywood Walk of Fame star. This is similar to how Diego Maradona was one of the world's most famous soccer players. The article is well sourced and is in great shape, though is still being cleaned up a bit to add a bit more unanimity for posting. DrewieStewie (talk) 13:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2021 Formula One season, Max Verstappen

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Article: 2021 Formula One World Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Formula One, Max Verstappen (pictured) wins the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, the final race of the 2021 Formula One World Championship and becomes the first ever Dutch World Champion. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Formula One, Max Verstappen (pictured) wins the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, the final race of the 2021 Formula One season and becomes the first ever Dutch World Champion.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In motorsport, Max Verstappen (pictured) wins the Formula One World Championship, while Mercedes wins the constructor's title.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In motorsport, Max Verstappen (pictured) provisionally wins the Formula One World Championship, while Mercedes wins the constructor's title.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In motorsport, Max Verstappen (pictured) controversially wins the Formula One World Championship, while Mercedes wins the constructor's title.
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC Sport
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Mjroots (talk) 14:40, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear, the article quality is not fine. There is an orange tag in the "Closing rounds" section, and the same section does not yet include a write-up of the Grand Prix that took place today.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:33, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait. Appeal by Mercedes appears to be likely given that there are claims by prominent members of F1 community that FIA failed to adjudicate the race fairly. So, let's wait until RSs say that there won't be an appeal, and if there is one, let's amend the blurb to include the contested nature of the the victory. Melmann 15:58, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Appeal appears to have been lodged. Melmann 16:02, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support And know we know the result. Yes, there may yet be a further appeal but that's a longer process and at some point we have to report on things as they are now. Gopchunk (talk) 20:13, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I understand it now in real time, there's actual discussions between the race organizers, MErcades, and Red Bull right now as I type this, so we should reasonably expect a final-ish decision today. There could still be a more formal appeal that will take time, but this current actions should be resolved before posting. --Masem (t) 17:54, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it's not as if it's like the US election! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:20, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. That's "no" then. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:25, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2021 New Caledonian independence referendum

Article: 2021 New Caledonian independence referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the final independence referendum, New Caledonia overwhelmingly rejects independence from France amid a boycott from independence parties. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, France24, The Guardian, Aljazeera, AP, DW
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: RS have declared that New Caledonia rejected independence, article is sourced although we're still waiting for the final vote count. Macron has celebrated the results as this was the final independence vote. Independence parties boycotted the vote as they did not agree with the date of the election. BastianMAT (talk) 14:31, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Don't see any reason for this to not go through as well then, Support. Gotitbro (talk) 23:16, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Significance is that it is the final referendum permitted under the accords; according to France and the loyalists, there will be no more, and according to those who support independence they will engage with the planned post-referendum process where the status of New Caledonia within France is decided. BilledMammal (talk) 22:00, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to the ABC, it is relevant to Australia (the previous title of that article stated "Here is why Australians should care"). I have yet to find sources stating so explicitly for other countries, but it would be reasonable to assume that it is relevant to all of France, as well as to the rest of the regional nations. BilledMammal (talk) 00:15, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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