Talk:Amalric of Nesle

Amalric of Nesle is currently a World history good article nominee. Nominated by Surtsicna (talk) at 18:23, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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Short description: Latin patriarch of Jerusalem

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A fact from Amalric of Nesle appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 December 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Patriarch Amalric was, according to the archbishop of Tyre, "reasonably well educated but bereft of intelligence and virtually useless"?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amalric divorces Agnes

... that Patriarch Amalric was snubbed at the royal court because of his role in a royal divorce (pictured)?

Source: Hamilton (1980) p. 76

ALT1: ... that Patriarch Amalric was, according to the archbishop of Tyre, "reasonably well educated but bereft of intelligence and virtually useless"? Source: Hamilton (1980) p. 78
ALT2: ... that "no other Latin patriarch had ruled for so long" as Amalric of Nesle and yet "no other had made so little contribution"? Source: Hamilton (1980) p. 78
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The United States of America (album)

5x expanded by Surtsicna (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 184 past nominations.

Surtsicna (talk) 22:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Surtsicna, review follows: article well in excess of 5x expanded from 27 October; article is well written and cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable offline sources; happy to AGF there are no copyright violations from these sources, the Earwig check is fine; hooks check out to the source cited (from Google Preview at least), for ALT0 I have amended "divorce" to "annulment of a royal marriage" as there is a difference; a QPQ has been carried out. Image needs a US PD copyright tag but is undoubtedly in the public domain, if you can address this and check you are happy with the amendment to ALT0 I should be able to approve - Dumelow (talk) 08:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tag added! I am not quite happy with the amendment, Dumelow, because it does not flow or catch attention nearly as well as "royal divorce"; and while divorce and annulment are different things in modern law, in the Middle Ages the annulment was the divorce, and indeed historians of the Middle Ages use the terms interchangeably, "divorce" even more commonly. See the source for this hook, for example. Surtsicna (talk) 18:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Surtsicna. Fair enough, thanks for the explanation. I have returned ALT0 to its original wording and am happy to leave the final decision up to the promoter - Dumelow (talk) 19:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Query

@Surtsicna: is the missing Hamilton 2000 reference

Hamilton, Bernard (2000). The Leper King and his Heirs: Baldwin IV and the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 9780521641876.

TSventon (talk) 23:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! Embarrassing. Surtsicna (talk) 12:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mistakes happen. Do you use a script to display Category:Harv and Sfn template errors? I have User:Svick/HarvErrors. TSventon (talk) 13:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have never used a single script. I'll look into it. Surtsicna (talk) 17:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can recommend the script as it is easy to produce Harvard reference errors on Wikipedia and the script produces very prominent error messages. TSventon (talk) 18:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Amalric of Nesle/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Surtsicna (talk · contribs) 18:23, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Cplakidas (talk · contribs) 21:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will take this on in the next few days. Constantine ✍ 21:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]