Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I Protest

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) →TSU ^tp* 14:45, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I Protest

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Dℬig Xray 16:51, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article fails WP:GNG. There is only one source which has in depth coverage of the topic (although its dead). The dead link is not an issue, but the article has no other source having in depth coverage. This article can be also merged with Media curbs and usage of social networking sites in Kashmir, but I doubt if it is notable enough for that. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^Talk ^Email 16:05, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:OR and WP:NOTFACEBOOK . The article is on a Facebook group named I Protest https://www.facebook.com/pages/I-Protest/165093133584647 for the stone throwers and rioters in Kashmir. the only source from Hindustan Times is an opinion piece on Kashmir riots and does not even talk about I Protest. Also fails wp:GNG due to lack of coverage. --Dℬig Xray 17:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment After the nomination at AfD the article has been edited and its now claimed to be an article for a song. As clearly mentioned below the article has to pass WP:NSONG for it to stay, as evident this is not a notable song as the reliable sources only make a bare mention of the title or lyrics making it suitable only for the singer MC Kash's article which already mentions this. The article still fails notability requirements and can be deleted--Dℬig Xray 16:46, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:19, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: - this nomination is actually funny, the whole article is blanked [1] and then nominated. The protest is definitely notable and to removing it would just be a pro Indian government censorship. --lTopGunl (talk) 22:13, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are you kidding? Reasons have been given for every removal. Don't try to take this AfD to another direction. Talk about how does this meet the WP:GNG. Such comments clarifies that the sole purpose of this article is to push POV. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^Talk ^Email 05:56, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
comment TopGun please refer Wikipedia:Arguments_to_avoid_in_deletion_discussions#Personal_point_of_view. Mocking the nominator by calling it Funny is yet another conduct issue, if you feel that article was wrongly cleaned up then follow the steps in WP:BURDEN with proper wp:RS. Sound reasoning has been given above for the deletion. Also the comment that removing it would just be a pro Indian government censorship is pure POV disregarding WP:N, if we agree with your comment then we must have a "Wiki article for every Facebook group that Hates India" shouldnt we ? The articles here are kept only if they follow WP:GNG not due to Indian or Pakistani POV as claimed above. --Dℬig Xray 09:23, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You guys got it right, it is a conduct issue when you nominate articles for deletion without making any good faith attempt to look for a source your self. Yes, I know about WP:BURDEN, but I didn't write anything in this page either... and I was pointing out that it was being nominated due to a personal view (ironic). As for actual content related reasons, other users below have cleared that burden I think. WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a reason to delete content. --lTopGunl (talk) 04:27, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and rename if necessary. The topic of internet protests in Kashmir has broad coverage in various international sources, including The National (Abu Dhabi): Kashmiri protesters turn to Facebook, as well as Times of India Online, protesters 'hurl' tweets, spew vitriol, NDTV (India) Facebook rebels: Kashmir's online protes; Facebook, YouTube used as weapons in Kashmir fight, The Hindu The world of Kashmir's online rebels, The Guardian: Kashmir protesters are using social media to disseminate news and views..., Global Post Social media has come to Kashmir, Indian Express Kashmir violence spills on to the Net, the Wall Street Journal: Rocks, YouTube Undergird Kashmiri Protests. All sources discuss, in depth, the growing popularity of Facebook, YouTube and other social networking sites among locals in Kashmir as tools for their nationalist cause. Mar4d (talk) 12:19, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Another baseless comment. Is there any mention of "I Protest" in all these sources? ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^Talk ^Email 12:23, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We might have started on the wrong foot, but I'll sincerely advise you not to use the word baseless unless it is unambiguous. It gets inflammatory. Just an advise, your choice. --lTopGunl (talk) 04:27, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mar4d none of your source mentions I Protest, the Facebook group. The arguements you gave hold for Media curbs and usage of social networking sites in Kashmir and not for the Facebook group article I Protest--Dℬig Xray 12:36, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The topic is surely notable. First the articles is missing much facts, that I found. Actually I Protest was a rap song by MC Kash, that was followed by this e-campaign named "I Protest". And I find it notable according to GNG per these source: pp. 81, 105, 113, 115, [2], [3], [4], [5]. --SMS ^Talk 17:43, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am afraid to say that all your efforts to save this POV pushing article are not working. Please read relevant policies like WP:NSONG. It clearly says,"Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. Notability aside, a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." This song doesn't meets any of them. Most sources have just a mention of the song, and some include lyrics. None of them have a critical commentary, and therefore what this article can be, is a redirect to MC Kash. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^Talk ^Email 07:24, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The sources I gave above are enough for this criteria but try WP:BEFORE, you will find many more. --SMS ^Talk 08:15, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Let me correct you, this article fails WP:NSONG. You may like to cross check:have been ranked on national or significant music charts (completely fails), have won significant awards or honors (again fails) and have been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands or groups (fails). And as of other sources, I can't find even a single reliable source which has in-depth coverage of the song. The WP:BURDEN is upon you, please prove how this article meets the notability criteria. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^Talk ^Email 08:27, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I thought that I dumped off the burden by providing the above sources as they talk about the subject in detail and are reliable sources. Should I quote content from these source? --SMS ^Talk 12:59, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They just name the song. Please try to understand that song articles are not created to be a stub. All sources which you have given doesn't talk about the song much. Some of them have lyrics, but they can't be added on Wikipedia due to copyright. WP:NSONG clearly says,"a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." As of quoting the source, I am doing that for you.

1st source-Only the lyrics of the song, all other mention is about the author
2nd source-only minor mentions of the song
3rd source-again only minor mentions of the song
4th source-only the lyrics
5th source-just one minor mention.

Hope that clarifies why this article doesn't meets WP:NSONG. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^Talk ^Email 13:32, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think you missed the content I was referring in some of the above source, see the excerpts below please:

Excerpts from Sources

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...And it was the Internet again that would soon carry out the words of teenages Kashmiri rap artists, like the nineteen-year-old MC Kash, 'Coming to You Live from Srinagar Kashmir', as he promised. As the summer slowly wound down, it was impossible not to be snagged by the closing lines of his runaway hit, 'I Protest':

A recitation of names followed, a flat monotone for the summer that was going past.

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— Sanjay Kak, Until My Freedom Has Come: The New Intifada in Kashmir, p.xvii

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Kash made his third song, 'I protest,' in September. 'I thought about these young martyrs and their mothers, and then I thought to put this pain of Kashmir in music,' he said. The result was a highly political and emotional song naming the sixty-five people killed upto September, and saying 'these killings ain't random, it's an organized genocide.' Kash released the song on the online music site Reverbnation, ....... The song rails against 'A Murderous Oppression Written Down in Police Brutality' and vows, 'I 'll Throw Stones An' Neva Run. I Protest, Until My Freedom Has Come!'

It was an instant hit with Kashmiri students, some of whom combined the song with videos and photos on YouTube and Facebook. Kash was not arrested, but police raided the recording studio and questioned the staff about his whereabouts, according to one worker who refused to be named for fear of police reprisal. 'Police were particularly asking if any separatist leader was behind the rapper,' the studio worker said.

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— Aijaz Hussain, Until My Freedom Has Come: The New Intifada in Kashmir, p.115

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Kash, twenty, whose real name is Roushan Illahi, has won a fan base among Kashmir's youth, whose summer uprising against Indian rule inspired his local hit "I protest'. The lyrics -- 'Tales from the dark side of a murderous regime, an endless occupation of our land an' our dreams'--tread dangerously close to sedition on India, where questioning the country's claim to the disputed region of Kashmir is illegal.

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— Aijaz Hussain, Until My Freedom Has Come: The New Intifada in Kashmir, p.113

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....The urban educated middle class were fence-sitters, and largely lent their support in drawing room discussions and on Facebook by saying 'I Protest', never leaving their living rooms.

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— Wasim Bhat, Until My Freedom Has Come: The New Intifada in Kashmir, p.105

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Roushan shot to fame in 2010 — the year where 123 people were shot in the Valley during pro-freedom demonstrations — with I Protest (Remembrance), dedicated to Kashmiris. The mellow beat peppered with gunshots betrays the angst felt by not only those who have lived to see atrocities by the Indian security forces over two decades, but also the future generations grapple with brutal state violence marred to a culture of impunity.

In this song, Roushan makes a reference to the “sponsored media who hide this genocide”. There is also a line about the mass rape of the Kashmiri women of Kunanposhpora village in the northern district of Kupwara by a battalion of the Indian army in the early nineties. The song ends with Roushan chanting the names of “all those martyred” in the summer of 2010.

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— Dilnaz Boga, A struggle to speak and be heard, Dawn, 27 May 2011

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The song that passed from phone to phone last summer was "I Protest," by Kashmiri rapper MC Kash:

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— Weekly Cutting Edge, Taking a hike for peace in Kashmir

I hope you find the in-depth coverage now. Again these are only some of the sources and there are scores of them out there, like: [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14]. Some of these may mention about the song but some also cover in detail. I hope that you will find the relevant text, otherwise ping me and I will put quotes here whenever I find time. Cheers! --SMS ^Talk 21:39, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As per WP:NSONG...the times of India link doesn't work.No other sources explain the song's cause and it's reason in detail.The whole background section is WP:OR with no references given what-so-ever. Better to merge it with MC Kash article. ƬheⱾtrike Ҿagle ^™ 07:42, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. SMS ^Talk 08:19, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Ample coverage of this song found. Dream Focus 03:04, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, →TSU ^tp* 07:25, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per coverage provided above. Cavarrone (talk) 10:08, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Vibhijain. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, →TSU ^tp* 07:12, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: - This was the last re-list →TSU ^tp* 07:13, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The song has received significant coverage in various global reliable publications, and as such passes WP:NSONG and WP:GNG. Source examples include:

—Northamerica1000^(talk) 06:56, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The references above are already a part of the artist MC Kash. The rationale given only supports redirection to the artists page. The article still fails WP:NSONG --DBig Xray 07:13, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The sources I cited actually do discuss the topic of the song. Of course, they also discuss the person who wrote the song and the context of the song. Northamerica1000^(talk) 15:57, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Northamerica1000. Meets the GNG, never mind NSONG. This BBC quote says it all: The track that first brought MC Kash to prominence was his title I Protest, which is about these demonstrations. The Steve 22:00, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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