Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 15

October 15

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 15, 2024.

Vocational education and training centers

Vocational education and training centers → Xinjiang internment camps (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Vocational education and training centers is really vague and the first thing I think of is not China. Dr vulpes (Talk) 04:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Retarget to Vocational school~~. I'm guessing the internment camps got a nickname at some point, possibly as a euphemism to avoid censorship, but it seems that this search term should just go to the most obvious target. Fieari (talk) 06:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Vocational school. I think this description has been used for the camps in Xinjiang, but certainly not only for that topic, so the current target is at best too narrow. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Vocational school makes the most sense to me as well. Dr vulpes (Talk) 22:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Vocational school per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:10, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article clearly says, in a sourced piece of text, in the first sentence of the article, "officially called vocational education and training centers". The article Vocational school does not mention the phrase "vocational education and training center". Put a better hatnote at the target if you like but "the first thing I think of" is often not a very good way of determining a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Shhhnotsoloud. Someone typing in "Vocational education and training centers" in the search bar is more likely than not to be looking for the Chinese institution. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget or keep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep with hatnote as per Shhhnotsoloud and feminist. While the actual name of these camps is "Vocational Education and Training Centers", which means this is likely the primary topic, this can still be a rather WP:ASTONISHing place to end up if you didn't know about them. Luckily, Wikipedia has a handy tool for this situation--
"Vocational education and training centers" redirects here. For the institution these camps claim to be, see Vocational school.
Maybe give a second pass on how to actually write this one. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:07, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You know what... I could accept this. I do find the name astonishing, but the hatnote should be enough. Changing my !vote to Keep with Hatnote. Fieari (talk) 23:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus seems to be leaning towards a keep.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, C F A 💬 00:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose being kept at current target there are plenty of other topics using the term and I see no evidence this is the primary topic for the redirect [1] [2] [3]

Also @Lunamann that hatnote suggestion is a clear NPOV violation. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which is why I mentioned that it might be a good idea to have a second pass on how to write it. Unless the NPOV violation is from merely having the hatnote in the first place, rather than the "...claim to be..." phrasing, in which case idk how to please you lol 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

REtarget to Training centre -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there is no consensus to keep, delete per WP:XY since Vocational school and Training centre both exist with no clarity on which one is intended. Steel1943 (talk) 16:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:CBOT

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) C F A 💬 13:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:CBOT → User:Citation bot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

could this also refer to cluebot ng or cluebot 3? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 22:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Sure, but shortcuts are usually ambiguous. Citation bot can be activated by other editors, so it makes sense that it's a shortcut there instead of Cluebot. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Per Tavix. Shortcut redirects should generally be left alone unless there is actual evidence of them causing problems, especially as hatnotes can be added to reduce any potential confusion (on which note I will add a hatnote to WP:COSMETICBOT and WP:CONTEXTBOT if this RfD closes as keep and there are no objections). Thryduulf (talk) 00:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as creator. Tavix has already explained what my rationale was. I also agree with Thryduulf that hatnotes may be added if the current redirect is kept. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 03:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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gehn wie ein ägypter

Gehn wie ein Ägypter → Walk Like an Egyptian (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Gehn wie ein Agypter → Walk Like an Egyptian (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

no mention of the german fandub in the target. i found no reliable sources for it, so a draft doesn't seem like a plausible decision. originally a prod that went nowhere, so it got blarred a year later, presumably for having no sources cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per WP:RLANG. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:51, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Song has no affinity to German. Retarget to Die Ärzte discography as below (I forgot they existed for a second). Schützenpanzer (Talk) 23:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why not redirect to the band, Die Ärzte? It got redirected to the article as a merge but I don't know if anything was actually merged. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

not enough sourcage, probably. it's also not mentioned there, but in their discography cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Die Ärzte discography where a song by this name is mentioned. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rapey McForehead

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G10. Neither "rape" nor "forehead" appear in the target article so this is an unambiguous BLP violation. Thryduulf (talk) 20:43, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rapey McForehead → Matt Gaetz (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is a glaringly obvious BLP issue Traumnovelle (talk) 19:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Agreed, this is vile no matter your political persuasion; @Jasonbres:, let's try to be a little more serious and a lot less glib with your editing in the future; your talk page is already too long to begin with, so you must know better by now. Nate • (chatter) 20:09, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

shouldn't it be g10'd? seems like a clear-cut case of that. if not, just delete cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete speedy per g10. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that. → HAL 9000 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Per Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_19#I'm_sorry_Dave. I'm not convinced that deletion was the right outcome there, but this redirect should suffer the same fate. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. Fortunately we are not bound by consensus so when a previous discussion gets it wrong we are not required to repeat it. This is a very notable quote, indeed it's the most notable quote from the entire work. There are potential arguments that "I'm sorry Dave" could be ambiguous (I've not looked to see if it is in practice), but for the whole quote every single one of the hits on the fist 8 pages of Google for I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that -Wikipedia -Wikiquote (not even the exact phrase) are about the film, about the line from the film, or referencing (almost always explicitly) the line from the film. People are using this redirect (sometimes it's getting multiple times per day) and the target is unambiguous, so deletion would be harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 19:50, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Thryduulf. Even if it's not explicitly listed off in the actual articles, this is, as Thryduulf notes, the most notable quote in the entire work, a quote near synonymous with the character of HAL 9000 itself. Removing this redirect or directing it anywhere else would do a huge disservice to the readership. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete per Lunamann... from April, during the previous discussion. What I'm reading in THIS discussion, based on what has been stated so far, is baseless assertions of "having highest notability" with zero particular sources or evidence behind the claim "it's the most notable quote from the entire work". "Synonymous with the entire character itself", no less!! According to the information listed on our Wikipedia pages, Hal 9000 and its reliable sources, it's not. There are 8-10 quotes at the target that are namedropped, WITH sources and enough presumed importance to be featured in prose, but none are this one, and none of those have redirects.

Is it really the most notable quote from the entire work? Genuinely excellent! This content could improve the encyclopedia. So there MUST be some way to verify this claim from a reliable source? If I were to type this in as a significant quote, for starters I would certainly want to read about the quote SPECIFICALLY, because that's exactly the search term I typed in, but such an article does not exist at this time. Therefore, we'd want to encourage readers to add material which we don't have, per WP:REDLINK. For a standalone article, a structure like Our princess is in another castle! could work? We've definitely done it before. But maybe this quote-topic can be covered on a different page, and not have to be standalone if the sources aren't up to par. If I had to pick a character to end up at, I would personally want to go to an article about "Dave" (because that is the name I purposely typed). I did not type in HAL 9000. If I wanted HAL 9000, I (and anyone who wanted to find HAL 9000) would've typed in "HAL 9000", which I deliberately be avoiding by typing in 9 words, none of which contain "HAL" and none of which contain "9000". The search term is, for all tenses and purposes, a totally separate topic. A quote. Not a character. And nothing exists for it on Wikipedia, it seems.

If this quote is so important as it is claimed here, it seems like it'd be a homerun out-of-the-park slam dunk to have SOMEthing, SOMEwhere, related to this quote. But, to the best of my understanding, we do not, anywhere. We didn't in January. We didn't in April. And nearly a year later, not in October either. So the only conclusion that can be drawn from the history, given that not even Lunamann wanted to save this in April, is that this quote must not be worthwhile! (Obviously this is not true, because the quote IS "important" and likely notable, possibly even reaching standalone notability! But Wikipedia is not trying to "right the wrongs" of a lack of coverage. We can only report on, and redirect based on the material that is contained here on Wikipedia. Not what we want it to contain. This is regardless if it's "important", but not mentioned yet.) The way to indicate that there is a gap in Wikipedia coverage to be filled, is a redlink. This redirect has zero valuable history. It can ALWAYS be recreated once someone feels it necessary to discuss this potentially notable quote on the biggest online encyclopedia. Which will certainly happen eventually, especially so if the "quote is synonymous with the target itself". But doesn't need to happen now. We are in WP:NORUSH to finish it. And in the meantime, people who search for a quote, and don't end up at material directly related to their search term, will certainly be misled, as Wikipedia is not, does not function as, or advertise as a "type in a quote and get the character who said it without any mention of the search term you used because it's not 'important' enough to be covered at the target page you ended up at" service. The content of the article dictates the redirects that should exist. Not the other way around. Recreate the redirect once a sourced mention is added, somewhere on Wikipedia, because there are none right now... besides one.

Alternatively, retarget to Love and Rocket where the quote is discussed, and HAL 9000 is readily linked. But my guess is that people would probably not want that. Welp. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It's referenced in an 2017 Human-Agent Interaction conference paper, "I'm Sorry, Dave, I'm Afraid I Can't Do That: Chatbot Perception and Expectations"; an ACMI (museum) article, "2001: A Space Odyssey – 'I'm sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that' "; and a Sound & Vision magazine article, "I’m Sorry Dave, I’m Afraid I Can’t Do That". ("I'm sorry Dave" was too ambiguous to survive. That is not the case here.) Clarityfiend (talk) 12:42, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – mention unnecessary for the redirect to answer the reader's most probable question ("where is this from?"). Re REDLINK, I think this is unlikely to be able to survive AfD (as evidenced by its lack of significant discussion in mainspace). J 947 ‡ ^edits 00:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless/until mention is added. If this quote is so important then it should be in the article. Without it this redirect is confusing and unhelpful. A7V2 (talk) 11:52, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Workers

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The result of the discussion was procedural close. Will bundle. (non-admin closure) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 21:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Workers → Workforce (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

please discuss at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_14#Worker. fgnievinski (talk) 17:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should indeed probably be combined with the singular RFD. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:42, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

speedy close this one to clump together at the october 14 discussion, with mild prejudice towards closing that one to add it here instead, since all the votes are there. or pray that neither are closed in time for a relist, whichever floats your nearest xfdc user's boat cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Traditioanl Jewish law

Traditioanl Jewish law → Halakha (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unlikely mispelling (correct spelling also a redirect) Naraht (talk) 17:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment it is a single transposition of adjacent characters (a-n for n-a), which is a very likely form of typo -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 17:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Plausible typo but not enough views (1 in past year) to justify the required maintenance. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:04, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, "traditional" is not hard to spell; swapping vowels and consonants changes the phonetics, making this one implausible. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As a spelling error I agree this is implausible. As a typo it is very plausible - both n and o are typed (on a QWERTY keyboard at least) with the right hand, while a is typed with the left; tying a right-left-right sequence instead of a right-right-left sequence is one of the more common types of typo made by touch typists. Thryduulf (talk) 01:07, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Yes, it's a typo, not a misspelling, but there are countless variations of letter transpositions and other similar, simple errors that are also just as likely. There's no particular reason why this one should exist. Page history shows that it was created one day before the one with the correct spelling, so clearly made accidentally. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 10:07, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vulkan-Hercules

Vulkan-Hercules → Energia (rocket)#Vulkan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The redirect should be deleted unless information on the Vulkan-Hercules is added to that page, and sourced. As the redir target exists today, there is a mention of a future design concept (Vulkan); but no mention of Vulkan-Hercules or Hercules anywhere in the entire article. N2e (talk) 16:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shanker jadapa

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shanker jadapa → Shankar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Originally created as a BLP spam redirect for Shanker (now a surname disamb) as seen here: [4]. Serves no purpose as an rd. Gotitbro (talk) 10:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete neither disambiguation page contains somebody named Shanker jadapa Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Raffaella Aleotti (Q3929201)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:03, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raffaella Aleotti (Q3929201) → Vittoria Aleotti (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible search term. The id in brackets is a wikidata item id. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Plenty of previous occasions where we've agreed that these sorts of redirects are not useful. Thryduulf (talk) 11:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete its only existed since July and has always been a redirect and as far as I am aware the consensus seems to be that such redirects should be deleted but maybe search should be modified to show the article when a Wikidata item is searched for but note that a Wikidata item is not static because it can change from merges or splits though one item isn't supposed to be reused for a different topic a topic can change Wikidata item. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Noting that 1012 (hist · log) exists for tracking pages created with such titles. Most are articles and are moved without redirect. I see one other redirect in there; I'll RfD it shortly. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 08:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per prior precedence. Steel1943 (talk) 05:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Heavy is Dead

Heavy is Dead → Team Fortress 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Popular video within TF2 communities but no mention of it in article. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 05:36, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete as per WP:RETURNTORED.~~ No info present in article; if someone has info on this they can make a page or section on it somewhere. Until that happens, we don't need this redirect. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:09, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Refine to Team Fortress 2#Fandom per Orchastrattor, who added the necessary, sourced information to the article that would be required to support this redirect. I am alive! Is nice. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 04:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yes, this is stupid cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:13, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~kill~~ per lunamann. no prejudice against reenacting heavy is dead here cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:10, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very funny how this redirect thought it was good day to be not deleted. POW! You are Deleted (per Lunamann). mwwv ^converse∫_edits 16:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i will find the deleter, i will capture them, and no redirect will ever be deleted again! cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added to article, obviously noteworthy (sub)topic per WP:BEFORE Orchastrattor (talk) 20:15, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Was also mentioned by Yahtzee Croshaw in his essay on punk and post-punk. I didn't even know this discussion was happening, I was just spinning the bit on Emesis Blue off into a new "fandom" section to mention Winglet's Fedora Chronicles ahead of "Mann's Final Stand". I was just looking to update the rcat templates for this redirect, Strong keep either way. Orchastrattor (talk) 20:24, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

works for me. refine to #fandom, still no prejudice against reenacting the video cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

True Crime Podcast

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The result of the discussion was retarget to True crime#Podcasts. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

True Crime Podcast → Podcast (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

True Crime or Podcast? The podcast page definitely doesn't say anything about true crime. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 04:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to True crime#Podcasts BugGhost 🦗👻 06:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per Bugghost. Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per Bugghost. For the record, true crime podcast should definitely be a stand-alone article – it's a great example of the sort of broad topic that doesn't have an article despite the considerable literature concerning it. J 947 ‡ ^edits 00:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to True crime#Podcasts per almost WP:JUSTDOIT at this point. Steel1943 (talk) 05:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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SHOUTcast Wire

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SHOUTcast Wire → Podcast (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

What does this specifically even have anything to do with podcasting in general. Should be noted that Shoutcast does have its own page. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 04:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This was likely a very early version of a 'top 10 list' for podcasts and online radio stations that are now mainly Apple and Spotify's purview. No real use in 2024. Nate • (chatter) 20:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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American Mongoloids

American Mongoloids → Indigenous peoples of the Americas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is going to be very controversial if it's kept (at the current target). TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 04:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep tag as {{R from obsolete name}} and {{R from non-neutral name}} -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bundle with the singular version. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 22#Firstly

Once (adverb)

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The result of the discussion was retarget to English numerals#Multiplicative adverbs and adjectives. (non-admin closure) C F A 💬 13:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Once (adverb) → 1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Twice (adverb) → 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Don't think a redirect relating to the adverb to a page that is specifically about the number is a good idea. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 04:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for the same reason as above. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:36, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget ~~Numeral prefix#Table of number prefixes in English~~ English numerals#Multiplicative adverbs and adjectives, as below. I bundled in Twice (adverb). Hyphenation Expert (talk) 11:28, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Once (disambiguation) / Twice (disambiguation) -- and add appropriate entries for the adverbs, per listed at wikt:en:once / wikt:en:twice -- which does not mean "1" all the time -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 13:04, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to English numerals § Multiplicative adverbs and adjectives. These are both wikt:adverbial numbers, which we do have some encyclopedic content about. The first proposed target above just doesn't make any sense, and the second one isn't needed, as this is already disambiguated, and there's no other reasonable target. (Adding an entry to the dab page would probably be fine either way, though). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to English numerals#Multiplicative adverbs and adjectives * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is this even a useful redirect? I can't imagine many (if any) people are going to add '(adverb)' to their search and this isn't a term once should be wikilinking. The less than 10 views combined over a year suggests this redirect is helping very few if any readers. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:42, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to English numerals#Multiplicative adverbs and adjectives per the IP editor. These are unambiguous plausible search terms with relevant content, there is absolutely no benefit to deletion. I also don't understand why Traumnovelle thinks these shouldn't be wikilinked? Thryduulf (talk) 11:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Linjian

Linjian → List of township-level divisions of Shandong (talk · links · history)

The name, which is that of a town in the Chinese province of Shandong, is being redirected to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China spokesperson with same name. Either it should be deleted or be redirected to the target page I have given.Toadboy123 (talk) 03:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE this is a malformed nomination. There is no RfD header on the redirect. The current target of the redirect is Lin Jian, and not that contained in the opening of this section. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Lin Jian is definitely the wrong target. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate with a see also to Lin Jian (林剑) and Linjiang (disambiguation); there is Linjian (临涧镇) in Pingyi County, Shandong, China; there is Linjian (林尘镇) in Zijin, Guangdong, China, listed at List of township-level divisions of Guangdong; Chen Linjian listed at 2020–21 and 2018–19 Chinese Basketball Association seasons; -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

American Mongoloid

American Mongoloid → Indigenous peoples of the Americas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

While this term has been historically used to describe the people of the First Nations, this is the equivalent of having the n-word redirect to people of African descent. There is even a plural version of this redirect. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 03:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep tag as {{R from obsolete name}} and {{R from non-neutral name}} -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like if it were to be kept, the page for the general term Mongoloid should at least be the target. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 04:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If we didn't have an article on the word nigger it probably would redirect to African American as a non-neutral and historic name. In fact the oldest edit that can be still viewed shows it as a redirect.

Whether it should be targetted to Mongoloid instead is a different issue but we don't delete historical terms because they're offensive. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:04, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I never really said that this should be deleted, though I probably should have mentioned that Mongoloid would be a better target. It's just a bit jarring to see a non-neutral term redirect to an entire ethnic group when there is already a better target. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 05:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Traumnovelle I seriously hope you don't mean what you said in your first sentence. That would be an absolutely batshit, awful, ridiculous redirect and it would be a WP:CIR issue to think otherwise. Think about things before you say them, especially in topics like racial slurs. BugGhost 🦗👻 14:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gipsy is a slur and redirects to Romani People. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RfD for that is now logged here - Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 16#Gypsy Bug Ghost 🦗👻 12:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per WP:RNEUTRAL. Redirects do not need to be neutral, for two reasons. 1, they are not visible to most readers unless people specifically go looking for them, next to nobody is going to start at Indigenous peoples of the Americas and end up at American Mongoloid. 2, if someone knows the non-neutral term but not the neutral term, redirecting to the neutral term both gets them to the requested information, while also teaching the reader what the neutral term is. I'll note that the N-word and F-slur both have their own pages with, in the first sentence for both, a link to the group each slur in turn is pointed at, so they're possibly not the best examples you could've given. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:03, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This shows me to reply without hitting refresh after having the page open for an extended period, lol. Changing vote to Retarget to Mongoloid; though I will note that if the retarget fails, I do support Keeping as a backup option. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Mongoloid, agreeing with User:Lunamann that this is the best target for this obsolete term. It is published in literature and WP:Wikipediaisnotcensored, so should not be deleted. Obligatory note: Indigenous peoples of the Americas are not an ethnic group; the term includes thousands of ethnic groups. Yuchitown (talk) 16:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indyans

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) C F A 💬 13:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indyans → Indigenous peoples of the Americas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Is this supposed to be slang? I don't even see any actual usage of it and googling it, most results relate to actual Indians. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 03:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment it's an obsolete spelling. I've seen it in some old documents and books before. I think it is more related to the Native Americans rather than South Asians, atleast, the uses I've seem all relate to that -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and tag as {{R from obsolete spelling}} per the IP. 100% of the first six pages of Google Books results relate to Native Americans. There is a band with this name who appear to be very good at SEO but not notable. Thryduulf (talk) 11:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Thryduulf. -1ctinus📝🗨 18:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and Tag per above. Fieari (talk) 01:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep obsolete spellings are helpful to readers. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Indian lore

Indian lore → Indigenous peoples of the Americas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

probably a joke but definitely not really a redirect worth any value TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 03:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment there is Mythologies of the Indigenous peoples of the Americas... but this would need to be a disambiguation page if kept, since there is also South Asia -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

North American people

North American people → Indigenous peoples of the Americas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect is a bit too vague to even refer to the natives of NA let alone all of the natives from both NA and SA. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 03:32, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete with no opposition to a dab if one sees it as necessary. Traumnovelle (talk) Traumnovelle (talk) 03:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to North America#Demographics. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 03:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to North America#Demographics without prejudice against a better target. J 947 ‡ ^edits 00:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Контрудар: глобальное наступление

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Контрудар: глобальное наступление → Counter-Strike: Global Offensive (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This definitely falls under Wikipedia:Redirects in languages other than English. Couldn't Russians just use the Russian translation? TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 03:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per RFOR Traumnovelle (talk) 03:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, Traumnovelle, and WP:RFOREIGN. There's already an equivalent on the Russian Wikipedia where the phrase "Контрудар: глобальное наступление" is definitely mentioned in the first sentence, but it doesn't exist as a title on that Wikipedia either, which further muddies the redirect's plausibility. Regards, SONIC 678 06:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - despite the fact many Russians play this game, it's not useful in English Wikipedia as this game wasn't made in Russia or has ties to it. JuniperChill (talk) 21:39, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:FORRED. Steel1943 (talk) 05:43, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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КСГО

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:00, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

КСГО → Counter-Strike: Global Offensive (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

probably counts as Wikipedia:Redirects in languages other than English TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 03:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete American video game with no mention of Russia or Cyrillic. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:16, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Klm Ryl Dtch Airlines

Klm Ryl Dtch Airlines → KLM (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I'm struggling to see the utility of this redirect that marginally abbreviates two of the three words in the full name of the airline. If space is at a premium surely you'd either just use "KLM" or abbreviate "Airlines" as well? This saves only 3 characters. Googling "klm Ryl Dtch Airlines" -Wikipedia brings up exactly one hit on Google, "how to pronounce", which scrapes Wikipedia page titles. It's amassed 77 hits since the current page view tool started keeping track in July 2015, which (if my maths is right) is an average of 0.7 hits per month and since 1 January 2023 it's accumulated only 4 hits. Capitalisation is by far the least important point here, but for any redirect in mixed case I'd expect KLM to be fully capitalised. On the other hand, this is old (created 2012) and unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 02:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I believe I got it from a document saying that, but sadly I did not make a note on where I got it from. In some newer redirects I am including URLs/documentation so I remember why I am redirecting some terms. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Steal Away."

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:00, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Steal Away." → Steal Away (Robbie Dupree song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Was at this title for approx a day in 2011 after a faulty move from userspace. Per the existing "precedent" of quote titles listed at User:Uanfala/Redirects with quotation marks, none seem to just, contain punctuation unnecessarily. "Unnecessary" seems to be the case here as the song is just called Steal Away with no other modifications. Would also be ambiguous with Steal Away and the 5 other articles with this title (shockingly, no disambiguation exists yet, just a massive hatnote at Steal Away listing literally everything I suppose, lol. I'll make one right now at Steal Away (disambiguation)). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:AFFINITY as the logo doesn't use the format and could anyway as such be used for any of the other uses (so should go to the base name, the spiritual if kept) but as noted shouldn't exist anyway. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ain't I a stinker? (remaining bundle)

Ain't I a stinker? → The Abbott and Costello Show (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ain't I a stinker → Bugs Bunny (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"Stinker" does not appear at the target article for Bugs Bunny. However, it is mentioned at The Abbott and Costello Show and several other articles including List of Saturday TV Funhouse segments, and WikiQuote at q:Hare Force. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:50, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I feel that more people know this phrase from Bugs Bunny than from Abbot and Costello. I it a plausible search term, but I'm unsure whether we should drill down and really determine if there's a WP:PTOPIC, or if we should disambiguate. I don't think deletion is a good idea due to the plausibility of someone searching for this very famous phrase. If a PTOPIC is found, hatnoting may be appropriate. Fieari (talk) 02:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it would boil down to "where will readers receive the information most pertinent to their search term and have their questions be answered", and that is not the case at Bugs Bunny with zero mention. Yet the phrase "Ain't I a stinker" has like 6 mentions across Wikipedia, all of which might possibly be valid and could draw the target, but the fine details can be ascertained through this RfD. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This phrase is not relevant on the Abbott and Costello TV series page, because it was never used in the series. A better place might be on the A&C radio show page, or the Abbott and Costello bio page. I do think it is a minor phrase that wasn't readily associated with the team.Plummer (talk)

"Ain't I a stinker"

"Ain't I a stinker" → Bugs Bunny (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 January 12 § "Ain't I a stinker" – no consensus

No other page in Category:Redirects from catchphrases is encapsulated in quotes. The word "stinker" does not appear at the target page. Someone who uses this term, WITH the quotes, clearly is looking for something specific to the phrase. If someone wanted to read about Bugs Bunny, they can search for "Bugs Bunny". But, by specifying quotes, we're dealing with a situation where the quote and related material is SPECIFICALLY desired, and that's not what readers will get when they type this. Furthermore, encapsulating a search term with quotes is highly unadvisable in the general sense for all redirects, and a tiny fraction of such titles exist. When searching for an exact text match via the Wikipedia search bar, quotes can be used to see "how often a phrase appears on Wikipedia in its exact form". The quotes in this title actively inhibit that, as "ain't I a stinker" is presumably a phrase that can (and does) manifest in all sorts of forms across Wikipedia. Therefore this should be deleted to allow ease in navigation. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diamondina

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diamondina → Β-Methylphenethylamine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Supposedly a slang name for the compound per Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chemicals/Archive_2007#Diamondina, but there is no evidence as such on Google or Chemical Abstracts Service or PubChem. Article was originally under this name for a little over a day back in 2007. Normally a typical {{R from move}} that should be kept somehow, but if there is absolutely no discernible relationship to anything on enwiki it could just lead to confusion. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I searched multiple chemical databases for mention of "diamondina" as a synonym for β-methylphenethylamine (or any other chemical compound) and have found nothing. I agree with Mdewman6's reasoning that keeping this redirect just risks confusion. Marbletan (talk) 12:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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When the horizon's at the bottom, it's interesting. When the horizon's at the top, it's interesting. When the horizon's in the middle, it's boring as shit!

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 22#When the horizon's at the bottom, it's interesting. When the horizon's at the top, it's interesting. When the horizon's in the middle, it's boring as shit!

Ain't no party like a diddy party

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 22#Ain't no party like a diddy party

It's time to d-d-d-d-duel

It's time to d-d-d-d-duel → Yu-Gi-Oh! (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There is no mention of "d-d" at the target article. Per the RCATs, this is apparently a related meme quotation, yet does not appear anywhere as written within the article. People looking for Yu-Gi-Oh! can reach the subject by typing Yugioh. Hyphenating between all the d's, just to reach an undiscussed meme subject, does not seem particularly useful or helpful here. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Demonstrably helpful, give the steady daily usage count on the stats page, just in the past month. Unambiguous target. WP:CHEAP. Don't break people's workflow just for the sake of tidyness. Fieari (talk) 02:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Helpful to whom exactly? Personally, I search for a meme expecting information about a meme. 90% of people familiar with the meme know it's from Yu-Gi-Oh (or seems to be that way from [5], where it is discussed on KnowYourMeme). At the very least, readers expect to read about the thing they searched about. So readers get here thinking "oh so the meme is discussed on this page, great!" One then spends the next 50 thousand bytes searching and searching and nope, zero context, zero benefit. We don't need a redirect for "it's time to d-d-d-d-duel" if all it's going to imply is "this term is synonymous with the entire concept of the Yu-Gi-Oh! general topic article, with no specific section or anchor implied."

Memes are novel. I'm not surprised that people WANT to learn about it here, yet still not useful as a 1-to-1 redirect as it currently leaves people lost on a page without any information for their meme search term, and no mention of "meme" at Yu-Gi-Oh. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 03:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters. This isn't simply a meme-- it's a direct quotation from the original opening sequence for the English dub of this specific anime, with most meme-ification of this quote simply extending the "d-d-d-d-d-d" stuttery part, or otherwise playing around with it and the Yu-Gi-Oh anime's characters in general. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, it's a meme then. I'm well aware of the Yu-Gi-Oh sequence in question, and the associated meme and its derivations. It's clearly not a "direct quotation", else this text (hyphens and all) would appear in the episode transcript here: [6]. Regardless, thank you for suggesting a more-related option. But it's still an unmentioned meme. How does this have any bearing on the likelihood of typing a d, followed by a hyphen, followed by a d, followed by a hyphen, followed by a d, followed by a hyphen, followed by a d, followed by a hyphen, followed by a d, followed by "uel"? And all to end up at an article for the series where the meme being sought isn't mentioned, nor any of the meme-spellings? Even in the anime and the video you linked, they stutter like 9 times, so even that aspect isn't accurate within this redirect, and none of It's time to duel, It's time to d-duel, It's time to d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-duel (is nommed), It's time to d-d-d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duel exist, or It's time to dduel, It's time to ddduel, It's time to dddduel, or It's time to ddddduel for that matter. Past precedent has indicated that random hyphens inserted into words is not useful, obfuscates the terms that are actually spoken, and makes searches impractical. And at least for these precedent discussions, they were for quotes which appeared at the target, iirc (in an unmodified/natural state that is, I think). The quote is officially "it's time to duel". Anything beyond that, makes it a meme/meme version. Someone committing to the 5 ds/4 hyphens combination is deliberately typing in a meme into the search engine, so if maintained, the content should reflect that. Neither the real version nor any of the meme variations are covered at the new suggested target either, and Wikipedia is not a collection of memes. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 16:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There's It’s time to du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-duel!, btw. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 19:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for finding this hyphens, Hyphenation Expert; imo you have definitely earned the title of "expert in hyphenation" for this one 😌 lol.

For that redirect, the title stutters 8 times, which that number happens to have a bit more basis in reality, compared to this one which stutters 4. (Side note, the edit summary for that redirect is... certainly interesting...). I'm hesitant to bundle these though, as the redirect you found here at least sounds a bit closer to what occurs in the Yu-Gi-Oh sequence, with the ~correct amount of 8 or 9 ds, so slightly more plausible. There may be a case for deletion there (no other du-du-dus exist), but I think the smaller scope and just one redirect here is fine for now. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

33-4

33-4 → 2005 Japan Series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This feels far too broad to be useful. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 00:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~The irony of the deletion nomination adding 334 bytes...~~ Uhm... Yeah. You know... I dunno why I- ^[1] ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 01:10, 15 October 2024 (UTC) ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 01:10, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=33-4&redirect=no

Question - Is this score particularly notable in baseball? I know Scorigami is a thing in football, but less so in other sports because it's more trivial to score any particular number... but on the other hand, 33 sounds particularly outstandingly high for a baseball game in my estimation. Heck, backyard whiffleball has a 10 run mercy rule. So I could see this as plausible... but I don't know baseball well enough to be sure. Fieari (talk) 02:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In America - Barely anyone recognizes it

In Japanese internet culture/Japan itself - Strong Yes

(Disclaimer - The "33-4" score was throughout the 4 different matches, not in a single match). The jawiki has a clear and good coverage of the internet meme associated with the series, but nobody in enwiki so far recognizes these kinds of stuff. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:41, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment/Lean Keep - Not entirely certain whether the English Language wikipedia should have redirects based on foreign language memes, but this may be worthwhile... I'm leaning keep for the moment. For reference, the source used by the Japanese wikipedia to support the statement that 33-4 has become an internet meme there is: [7]. It does appear to be a reliable source according to our own standards. Fieari (talk) 07:43, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, looks like the only possible ambiguity is with 29. And create 33–4 too, obvs. J 947 ‡ ^edits 00:14, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Although there is the famous 4′33″. J 947 ‡ ^edits 00:29, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Never trust a bartender with bad grammar

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Never trust a bartender with bad grammar → Star Wars: Dark Forces (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention of "bartender" or "grammar" at the target article. People who use this search term will be sent to the article in question with no context as to what this line means, or what it's from. (The edit summary says its from Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast, but even at that article, "grammar" is not mentioned, although there is a bartender mentioned once on the cast.) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very Weak Delete - Entirely implausible search term according to google trends. Our internal stats page shows 5 hits last year, and 45 in the past 4 years, reducing my delete to a weak deletion preference... it gets SOME use. If kept, it should probably be Retargeted to Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast, which google informs me is the ACTUAL source of the quote. Fieari (talk) 01:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete. not on the notable side of one-liners, even from resident kell dragon puncher and one-liner machine kyle katarn cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:42, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This is the 29th lyric in the second verse. And "lasagna" is not mentioned at the target article. Does not seem to be a need to have this as a redirect when the natural way of reaching an encyclopedic article title is by typing in an encyclopedic article title, because for most regular readers, there is zero way to know which lyric does and does not have a redirect in existence, so the safest play 100% of the time is to identify the title of the song and proceed based on that, not navigating via one particular line for one particular song, a feat which is impossible for essentially every other song article on Wikipedia (as I don't know many verse 2 line 29 redirects that exist towards songs). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete implausible Wikipedia search term evidenced by the minimal page views. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete - I personally find choosing a random line from the middle of a song implausible as a search term, but it has gotten 18 hits in the past year, so it sees some use-- hence a weak !vote. It still doesn't get much use. Fieari (talk) 02:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. This line is reasonably well known in hip hop fanbases as an infamous example of a strained simile, and I can imagine someone searching the line to look up where it originated. There's certainly room to debate whether Wikipedia should be the place to facilitate those searches, which is why my !vote is just a weak one, but even so I can understand why the redirect was created. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Billy Wilds

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The result of the discussion was keep. Alias has been readded to the article after previous removal, thereby re-substantiating a mention. Withdrawing. (non-admin closure) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Billy Wilds → Bill Wurtz (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention of "billy" or "wilds" at the target article, and no context to people who use this subject instead of Bill Wurtz as a search term. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I can explain this, Billy Wilds is a pseudonym of Wurtz, as proven by these two links, it used to be on the article as one of his other names in the infobox but got removed likely due to lack of notability, but that's what I think. SignedInteger (talk) 00:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see, thanks for the tip! I thought it might be something like that, as it seemed more related than Joe Tractorman, but still unreferenced. Is there any way this information can be realistically incorporated into the article? A pseudonym seems to be important, maybe there's an infobox parameter but I'm unsure. Might help readers who navigate here via the pseudonym. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:28, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the last revision of the page in which "Billy Wilds" is mentioned from about June of this year, it was used in the "Also known as" parameter of the infobox, the revision after this one removed it SignedInteger (talk) 00:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha, I'll go ahead and re-add the also-known-as then, as that seems significant as a pseudonym. Thanks for the help! Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:41, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joe Tractorman

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Tractorman → Bill Wurtz (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No discussion of a "Joe Tractorman" at the target article, even if he wanted to change his name and fly away, supposedly... Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added this redirect to be silly. If you want to delete it, feel free, but you don’t have to. lol -TenorTwelve (talk) 06:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete. not up there with damien maymdien in the list of bill wurtz characters i've seen people want to bang. i mean what cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete pointless and not helpful. -1ctinus📝🗨 19:00, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Unlike some other redirects without a mention in the article, this redirect will not provide the user with any information about what they are searching for, and as such it is unhelpful and not useful. Fieari (talk) 07:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The sun is a deadly lazer

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Bill Wurtz#History of the Entire World, I Guess. Refined target. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sun is a deadly lazer → Bill Wurtz (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:09, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Not anymore, there's a blanket!~~ Seems like one of those humorous redirects. Anyone who knows this meme usually knows about Bill Wurtz, so... unlikely search term? ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 01:04, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Retarget to ozone layer~~ Refine to Bill Wurtz#History of the Entire World, I Guess, which is the section detailing the video this quote came from. Anyone looking for information on this meme would be well-served to be pointed to the part of the Bill Wurtz article talking about the meme's origin. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~let's go on land~~ Support refining. The phrase is briefly mentioned in RSes—see [8]—so it's at least a somewhat useful phrase. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 08:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~but you need to go back into the water to have babies~~ Refine per Lunamann. Should probably also tag with {{R from meme}}. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 11:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~learn to use an egg~~ refine per lunamann, will see if a mention can be added (though i don't have much faith in it) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Refine per Lunamann. Even without a direct mention, this will provide the user the information they are looking for ("What was this quote from"). I disagree that it is implausible that someone would remember the quote and not know the name of the man who made the videos, or the name of the video-- that's not how human memories work. Fieari (talk) 01:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are all of these crossed-off lines inside jokes? Because I don't get them. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not inside jokes per se, more just quoting the video where the redirect came from because it's funny. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 11:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
so is the nom's rationale lmao cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:15, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As the odd one out I'd like to point out that my own crossed-off line was instead a reference to the concept that the line and the line directly after it ("Not anymore, there's a blanket!") was meant to introduce, the idea of the ozone layer forming and protecting the surface of the Earth enough for animals to emerge from the water 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:36, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Quartzose

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Quartz. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quartzose → Silicon dioxide (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I feel like this should target quartz as {{R from adjective}} unless there is a good geological reason to target the broader Silicon dioxide article. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget - agreed, quartzose simply means quartz-bearing or quartz-rich. Mikenorton (talk) 14:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per nom. Fieari (talk) 23:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] ttps://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=33-4&redirect=no

[1]

October 15

Vocational education and training centers

Wikipedia:CBOT

gehn wie ein ägypter

Rapey McForehead

I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

Workers

Traditioanl Jewish law

Vulkan-Hercules

Shanker jadapa

Raffaella Aleotti (Q3929201)

Heavy is Dead

True Crime Podcast

SHOUTcast Wire

American Mongoloids

Firstly

Once (adverb)

Linjian

American Mongoloid

Indyans

Indian lore

North American people

Контрудар: глобальное наступление

КСГО

Klm Ryl Dtch Airlines

"Steal Away."

Ain't I a stinker? (remaining bundle)

"Ain't I a stinker"

Diamondina

When the horizon's at the bottom, it's interesting. When the horizon's at the top, it's interesting. When the horizon's in the middle, it's boring as shit!

Ain't no party like a diddy party

It's time to d-d-d-d-duel

33-4

Never trust a bartender with bad grammar

How many of us have them

Kahako

Real G's move in silence like lasagna

Billy Wilds

Joe Tractorman

The sun is a deadly lazer

Quartzose