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Ireland

Adrian White (author)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NAUTHOR. From what I can see, no secondary, non-self published sources exist — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 15:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trasna

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Non-notable company; fails WP:NCORP. Coverage available (both in article and in WP:BEFORE search does not meet the WP:ORGCRIT -- instead, it's all a mix of primary sources, trivial mentions, press releases, niche WP:TRADES publications and coverage that would be excluded as WP:ORGTRIV. No reasonable redirect option. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. Almost all of the sources (in the article and that I can find) are press releases, primary sources, passing mentions and otherwise the same type of coverage we might expect for any similar small company. The number of issues with the limited references that are in place (including FV and WP:REFBOMB concerns) is also concerning. Guliolopez (talk) 16:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jack McKenna

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Sigcov available - article about subject in Irish Examiner, Leinster Leader, op-ed about subject in Irish Independent (please note the author is not related to the subject in spite of their surname) and Balls.ie. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 18:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Irish Examiner - routine coverage after a victory. /// Kildare Now - more about how he just happened to be the recipient of Paul Lim's nine darter than anything about the man himself. /// Irish Independent - passing mention in an article more concerned with the drinking culture in darts. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Irish Examiner article actually interviews the subject about stuff further than just his victory and is beyond just the routine coverage of "subject won match". Leinster Leader (Kildare Now) is still sigcov beyond discussing Paul Lim's nine darter in two of the paragraphs. Irish Independent article remains an op-ed that heavily discusses McKenna. Furthermore, coverage is available in depth about McKenna in Dartsnews.com. As well as this, there was a full length article in the Sunday Tribune in 2010 about McKenna which absolutely meets SIGCOV - though the article itself has been taken down, it's been reuploaded by the journalist who wrote the piece here. With these six I think the case for meeting GNG is clear. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Irish Examiner is blatantly routine coverage after a victory whereby he discusses his preparation for the next game. That's the entire article? /// Kildare Now is almost entirely about Lim's nine darter, with the exception of the final paragraph, where the "significant coverage" consists of a man saying he doesn't drink alcohol. /// Irish Independent is an article where we learn McKenna was, you guessed it, the man who stood behind Paul Lim as he hit the nine darter, we learn that he has a chest infection at the time of writing the article, and that he was once in a minibus that broke down near Drogheda. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All three remain articles specifically about the subject - and yes, you might find whatever's mentioned in the op-ed boring, that doesn't really matter in terms of the fact there's been a national newspaper op-ed written with several paragraphs about him. But even taking your definition of WP:ROUTINE (which if it was just "McKenna won this match" and no further comment from or about subject I'd agree with, but it's not, so it's not) at its best and throwing out the three articles you disagree with, that still leaves three other full articles that provide significant coverage of McKenna. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 22:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An article where 5 paragraphs out of 6 talk about Paul Lim's nine darter is mathematically not specifically about this bloke whatsoever. I never said anything was boring, I just literally described what the Independent article was? How a darts player prepares for his second game after winning his first game is very WP:ROUTINE, which is what that article in the Examiner. The Darts News article is five paragraphs summarising a 34 year career, one paragraph of which is about, yep, you guessed it, Paul Lim's nine-darter. The remaining paragraphs are very much WP:ROUTINE reporting of six matches in his 34 year career. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. The Irish Examiner source is routine pre-match hype with roughly a sentence of secondary coverage N. Kildare Now has about two sentences of secondary coverage, with the rest being coverage of Lim, primary, or quotes N. The Independent source is a first-person OpEd; per policy this is considered primary and therefore unusable for GNG. Balls.ie is almost entirely an interview, with the minimal secondary coverage being in the context of Lim's performance N. JoelleJay (talk) 22:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, the British Newspaper Archive appears to have plenty of coverage of him, including mentions such as "Jack McKenna is a household name in Irish sport" and "Jack McKenna is the best darts player Ireland has ever produced". BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are tabloid newspapers considered reliable sources? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 00:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Several of those (e.g. randomly selected national Evening Herald and Sunday World) are of the newspaper size tabloid, not that they necessarily engage in tabloid journalism. Someone who has multiple sources attesting him as a national "household name" and "the best darts player" in the nation's history is clearly notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except they do engage in tabloid journalism. Hence my comment. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Julie Breathnach-Banwait

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I don't believe she meets WP:AUTHOR or WP:BIO more broadly. 1 hit in google news and nothing in google books which is surprising for a writer. LibStar (talk) 01:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and augment. Part of the issue with the author is that it can be difficult to meet WP:AUTHOR when her working language is Irish, and that doesn't Google so well. I'll also point to her article in the Irish Language Wikipedia, which has clearly met inclusion criteria there. Yes - different wiki, different rules, but still ... - Alison ^talk 04:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Google Books actually does have quite a few hits, BTW - Alison ^talk 05:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Which of the google books hits would be WP:SIGCOV? LibStar (talk) 05:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'm not seeing sufficient independent RS to show that the notability criteria have been met. JMWt (talk) 11:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep: Her works have been included in anthologies [1], and some analysis here [2] and here [3]. There's some coverage in Gaelic (?) sources if you limit it to .ie websites, but I can't tell what qualifies as a RS in that language. Oaktree b (talk) 15:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This also seems to be a RS [4], hosted on a WordPress site, but it's an online magazine with an editorial board and such. Oaktree b (talk) 15:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I was the one who got the article up in the first place, but I tend to agree now that more references are needed, as discussed above. As for notability, a significant problem for writers in Irish is that few reviews are available in English, though I would regard her as a poet worthy of inclusion on her own merits. If the consensus was that the article should be deleted, I would accept that, and see if I could come up with something new and improved. Colin Ryan (talk) 02:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep The RTE and Irish Times are reliable sources. With a bit more sleuthing, we could find a third good source for significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 05:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland–Mali relations

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The article is based on entirely primary sources. Fails GNG. Curiously the article says sources retrieved in Sept 2024 and March 2022 when the article was just created. This source is not indepth and this one is a small 1 line mention of Mali. LibStar (talk) 22:28, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails GNG, the only GNG-qualifying sources I could find online had to do with Ireland's peacekeeping mission in Mali. Noah ^💬 02:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There do not appear to be sources (independent, secondary, non-trivial) that would establish notability. Yilloslime (talk) 00:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As an ATD, possible redirect to European Union Training Mission in Mali, which included deployment of the Irish Army. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:39, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can support that redirect; not opposed to keep, though, given existing coverage on the news about this. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The relations are more broad than the European Union Training Mission in Mali, so oppose redirect. LibStar (talk) 23:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. Keep, then. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which third party coverage meets GNG for this subject? LibStar (talk) 05:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Royal Irish Regiment 'on standby' for Mali mission BBC (4 February 2013), What are Ireland's Army Ranger Wing doing in Mali? RTE (25 February 2020), Ireland will continue on controversial Mali mission but with reduced troop commitment (Irish Times 22 November 2022), Wagner Group disinformation endangering Irish troops in Mali, researchers warn (Irish Times 12 July 2023). Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 07:44, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland–Zambia relations

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Previous AfD outcome was redirect. A year later someone reverts this redirect with no improvement to article. These relations still fail GNG. LibStar (talk) 11:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or redirect and salt. Per previous AfD, as nothing has changed. Yilloslime (talk) 21:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Short article, but has sources that may have it meet requirements. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see 1st AfD...... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2007 Gerry Reilly Cup

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Non-notable edition/staging of amateur sports event - that doesn't meet WP:NSEASON or WP:SIGCOV or WP:NEVENT. Even if the competition as a whole (the Gerry Reilly Cup) has notability, there is nothing to indicate that this single running of that event has independent notability. Certainly the text of the article, the refs within it, and a WP:BEFORE search for other sources do not appear to establish independent notability. If not deleted, as an WP:ATD, the title could perhaps be redirected to Gerry Reilly Cup (perhaps to a section WP:WITHIN it dealing with the 2007 event). But there is otherwise no apparent sources/rationale for a single instance of this (non-national, provincial, amateur, childrens/schoolboy) competition has independent notability. (By extension I would question the expectation/presumption, in this template, that every annual occurrence of this amateur/teenage competition warrants a standalone WP:NSEASON/WP:NEVENT article....) Guliolopez (talk) 20:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC) Guliolopez (talk) 20:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I intend to create more articles for annual events of this provincial underage football competition, which has grown in stature with each passing year, with counties beyond the province of Leinster now participating. The 2007 Gerry Reilly Cup article was created because when I located the Gerry Reilly Cup article, I found it to be in a very unsatisfactory condition. It was possibly created in 2007 as it focused very much on that year's competition. I tidied up the article and thought it best to create a standalone 2007 Gerry Reilly Cup article to place the bulk of content that I found on the main page. The format of the tournament has also changed since 2007 so the content had become dated and no longer accurate in the way that it appeared on the main page. It was also quite challenging to source references for that renewal of the tournament which happened seventeen years ago. Moresthepity (talk) 21:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thanks for your note. If it's "challenging to source references for [..the event..] which happened seventeen years ago", would that not indicate that WP:SIGCOV isn't met? And that, perhaps, (whatever about the competition as a whole or instances of the competition held on other years) the 2007 staging doesn't/didn't warrant a standalone article? Guliolopez (talk) 14:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Spleodrach (talk) 13:03, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: There is an unbolded Keep here so I don't think this is eligible for a Soft Deletion.
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Ireland Eurovision Song Contest entries discography

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The discography and chart history of a nation's Eurovision entries has no relevance to the country's participation in Eurovision. Beyond the songs being Eurovision entries (which are already covered in more detail at Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest), how they charted in their country or elsewhere does not have an impact on the nation's participation history nor its success/placement at the contest. Grk1011 (talk) 14:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additional nominated article for the same reasons:

The basis of this deletion discussion is based in the following policies/guidelines:

WP:GNG: The list lacks significant coverage in sources, with most supplied references being the chart positions themselves, with no added context. The article does not establish what grouping all of these songs and chart positions together is trying to prove, show, or discuss.
WP:NOTSTATS: The list of one specific statistic about these Eurovision songs only shows how they fared on one specific country's music charts (not even at the contest itself); it lacks context or explanation.
WP:LISTCRIT: The list is a synthesis of available information, compiled nowhere else in this level of detail other than on Wikipedia, for which the membership criteria remain somewhat unclear. The point of the article is just to identify a song's placing? To compare? Why only domestic charts? Why do other articles list the album they were on too? What text could be added to provide context without becoming WP:OR? How is this a "discography"?

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Delete both per nomination. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 17:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The information contained is relevant to the UK charts more so than the Eurovision itself, which is highly notable. It is also a useful guide to how successful the songs were in the real world. The information is well sourced, so I see no reason to delete. The UK article has been in existence for 13 years and receives regular edits, so obviously has a lot of interest. The nominator hasn't given any policy reasons for deletion other than he/she doesn't like it, it seems.Tuzapicabit (talk) 19:05, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Ireland Eurovision Song Contest entries discography. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the nominator's rationale but, as noted above, it doesn't appear to be based on a specific policy. Not one I'm familiar with at any rate. To my mind, the main applicable policy is WP:NLIST. Which would expect the list subject/members to be discussed as a group. And several sources, including those I found/added in my own BEFORE, appear to discuss the topic (performance of Irish Eurovision entries in the Irish singles chart) as a subject. And discuss the list members as a group. As expected by NLIST(?) Guliolopez (talk) 22:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Guliolopez:, @Tuzapicabit: I've now elaborated to identify some specific policies. Grk1011 (talk) 12:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Guliolopez: @Tuzapicabit: Are you able to provide updated feedback based on the policies now added? You asked for this, so I want to make sure you've seen it and had a chance to respond/refute. Thanks. Grk1011 (talk) 13:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete both. Given the policies quoted here, particularly WP:NOTSTATS and WP:LISTCRIT, I believe there is a strong case to be made that these lists do not qualify for inclusion on Wikipedia. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 18:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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