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New Jersey

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Lee Feinswog

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Lee Feinswog (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Delete – article has no substantive references, and my WP:BEFORE turned up no decent independent secondary sources to establish or support the subject’s notability with respect to WP:JOURNALIST or WP:AUTHOR. He does run https://volleyballmag.com/ which is cited in some 50+ Wikipedia articles, and if that is sufficient for notability, I would happily rescind my recommendation to delete. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Clark (American actor)

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John Clark (American actor) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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None of the sources in this article say even close to 100 words about Clark. These are all just passing mentions, i.e. "role name (John Clark)", in works about various films. This is not just a notability issue, but even more fundamentally a verifiability issue, as we have nothing to confirm that this John Clark is the John Clark mentioned in these sources, as opposed to John Clark (English actor) or any number of other people with that very common name. I've tried to find any sources covering this John Clark in depth, and found nothing. This is admittedly hampered by the common-ness of his name, but even including "Western" or "St. Augustine" (his place of death according to this non-RS obituary) is no help. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ammad Quraishi

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Ammad Quraishi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No indication of notability. Being on a school board is not a prominent political position, even if he was the youngest. Article had previously been speedy deleted, both under this title and Ammad Uddin Quraishi. ... discospinster talk 05:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep/Move to Draft - Article reaches both general notability guidelines as established by Wikipedia standards as well as subject specific guidelines for a politician. A school board position in New Jersey is a state level office , thus reaching notability under subnational politician rules. Since an individual or role not accorded presumed notability may still reach notability thresholds through the general notability guidelines, it is important of note that the individual was the youngest muslim elected to public office in the United States (relevant see: Bushra Amiwala). It is important to remember that "notable" is not a synonym for "famous".
Sources cited are reliable, secondary sources of significant press coverage, which has primarily appeared in print or on regional air (TV/radio), and has since been archived. BernieBruh (talk) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:NPOL, WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG, being the youngest identity to hold an office in the US is pretty significant. LahrenFan21 (talk) 12:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ben Simons (politician) and Jaylen Smith (politician) and others were 18yo when elected mayors of their municipalities, so not really a first here. Djflem (talk) 17:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In fairness, mentioning Simons and Smith does give credibility to the WP:NPOL element as well as the WP:SIGCOV element. Simons coverage is local media, and Smith's mayoral election in a municipality 1/22nd the size of Quraishi's still holds notability. Smith of course benefits from national coverage, esp in relation to joining Clinton and Harris at events of course. LahrenFan21 (talk) 21:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - @4meter4 While I do agree that school board office holders are typically considered WP:ROUTINE, as it was notable for Amiwala when published in 2019, it is notable that Quraishi holds a national title in that role. I understand your point on the sourcing of more media coverage, and am working accessing archived national news sources to attach to this article. BernieBruh (talk) 16:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a COI here? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
National title? There's no such thing as a national title for a local school board member. If you mean the claim that he is youngest muslim to be elected in the United States, I don't think that claim is something that is provable. For one, we don't typically go around collecting data on the religions (or ages) of school board members or any other minor elected office holder nationally, and two proving that claim would require analyzing the religions of every school board member and minor elected office holder who has ever held office historically in every city, township, and bureau with elected offices nationally. Somebody could been elected as an auditor in a small town who was younger and muslim thirty years ago, and it probably would have passed without fanfare. In other words, its a highly speculative claim, and the sourcing itself doesn't appear to support the claim under our policy at Wikipedia:EXTRAORDINARY.4meter4 (talk) 16:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for the poor choice of words. Appreciate you pointing that out. But yes, referring to the claim of being the youngest muslim to be elected in the United States. It's true that data on religions or ages aren't gone around to be collected, but the latter is public information via filing data and reports. The former can generally be deduced if not reported. I agree with you that someone could have been elected to another position who was younger (than 18) and longer ago, which would then need to be reflected. I disagree that it's a highly speculative claim, but can concede that the sourcing can be stronger on noting that superlative. There is an archived story in a national publication that I'm working to source that had made note of it. Regardless, I still think it makes sense to Keep the article live (not just because I worked on it), but to add a tag to get more source material or citations. BernieBruh (talk) 17:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If an individual's already-thin claim to notability is not supported by any reliable sources then it is inappropriate to publish it. Putting the article in draft will give the opportunity to find archived sources, and I originally did that, but you re-published it anyway. ... discospinster talk 17:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was following the guidance you left on my talk page about moving the page back when ready for publication, though now I see I should have opted for "submit for review" option instead, so my apologies on that front. My understanding that the notability claim was supported by a reliable source, being The Record (in circulation since 1895). But I'll still work on attaching additional sources. Thanks, BernieBruh (talk) 17:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Record article only states that he's running, not that he's the youngest Muslim to be on a school board. ... discospinster talk 18:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can deduce people's religions based on what? Their names? Where they live? People of the muslim faith (like all major world religions) live all over the world and have many kinds of names. See if you can guess the religion of the person based on their name in this list: Ammar al-Basri, Peter Finch, Jermaine Jackson, Vinnie Paz, John Walker Lindh, Abdulahad AbdulNour, Hunayn ibn Ishaq, Keith Ellison, Leda Rafanelli, Gabriele Torsello, Rita Habib, Robert Dickson Crane, Shotaro Noda, Ryoji Aikawa, Masayoshi Ōhira, Tani Yutaka. Also where has there ever been a collection of the ages of all of the people who ever held an elected office in a searchable database? The answer: No where. To run for office in a town the official process varies from state to state. Depending on the state one lives in, one files to run for local office at sometimes the township level and in other places it might be administrated by the county or at the state level. While their might be a record of the names of past office holders at local level in a state document; typically the age of that person isn't recorded except on the filing document which is generally held in the archives of the township or the county. While there is the freedom of information act, figuring out even where to look to get the ages of past people in elected office would be very challenging; particularly for people elected prior to the internet era in a small town (of which there are more than 19,000 in the United States). That would require physically going down to the township building and digging through old election filing forms. Some of those might have been thrown out after a period of time, lost, or destroyed. Others locked away in a dusty file cabinet that no one has looked at in decades. The point is, in no way did someone actually compile all that data and definitively come to a conclusion on this claim. It's simple guesswork, which is meaningless.4meter4 (talk) 01:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, generally speaking/on average, yes we can deduce most people's religions based on their name or country of origin. (My family has a very stereotypically Jewish name, for example, and it doesn't make us any less Jewish.) There are many Wikipedia articles detailing names associated with religions or identities. Quraishi, some names in Arabic-language surnames, Jewish surnames to name a few. That doesn't negate your point about people of the muslim faith (like all major world religions) having many kinds of names, but cherry picking a few (including converts) to make the point is counterproductive. Regardless, a source cited in the article makes reference to the fact that Quraishi is Muslim. I'll be sure to cite it where appropriate. And sure there may not be a collection of all the ages of all of the people who ever held an elected office in a searchable database, but that isn't how we do research or source and present materials. Otherwise, there's no place for sites like Wikipedia on the internet. Contributors find sources and information and add or update articles as those sources are sought or are discovered, since there isn't a universal database containing all of the information. If that's the standard by which we're to source information, then we need to scrap this entire site. I do agree with you that it's not easy to source info and figuring out where to look to get some information is very challenging, but not impossible. Plus, even if someone didn't compile all that data and definitively come to the conclusion, a reasonable inference can be drawn, and titles can change hands over the years as someone else comes along, or uncovers a source that reveals new information. Best BernieBruh (talk) 04:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That’s not how Wikipedia works. We have rules regarding WP:Verifiability. We also have rules regarding WP:No original research. Inference does not meet the standard of our verifiability rules, and making inferences as you suggest is a form of WP:OR which is not allowed under Wikipedia policy . Another one of those rules is WP:EXTRAORDINARY. This is an extraordinary claim, and it therefore requires extraordinary sourcing which means a minimum of three high quality references that are clearly independent of the subject (which excludes local media). So far there are zero sources that I would consider meet the standard we need to verify this extraordinary claim. In short we can't make this claim on wikipedia. And FYI, research of the kind I described above is what an academic or a journalist from a reputable publication would do before making the claim your making. That would be the standard of sourcing needed to publish that fact in a reputable journal or newspaper. Reliable publishers don't present guesswork as facts, and if they are guessing they say so up front by saying is "possibly" or "maybe". If I were to make that claim about Quraishi definitively being the youngest musilim American ever elected before an IRB board at my university while trying to get a journal article published I would get scoffed at with "how can you prove that?" questions. It wouldn't fly. And it doesn't fly here. Not without stronger evidence. 4meter4 (talk) 03:56, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No COI on the Quraishi article, but a potential COI on the Amiwala one, on which I've refrained from edits and additions. BernieBruh (talk) 16:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Serving on a school board does not pass WP:NPOL, and the entirely expected existence of purely local coverage of the school board's activities is not sufficient to claim that a school board trustee has passed WP:GNG in lieu of having to satisfy NPOL. We're writing history here, not news — our job isn't to maintain an article about every individual person that somebody in Bergen County, New Jersey might have read about in their local newspaper yesterday, it's to maintain articles about people who will have national and/or international significance that will endure into the 2030s and 2040s and 2050s. School board trustees, however, almost never have anything of the sort. Bearcat (talk) 21:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Serving on a school board does not provide an automatic pass via WP:NPOL. The sources we want to see is coverage of the subject's accomplishments and legacy in office. This is the same standard we hold to mayors and city councilmembers. We can recognize notable firsts, but those firsts must be recognized by sources with a national scope (and must not be sourced entirely to a claim that a subject makes about being a first). Nothing suggests the sourcing exists in this case. --Enos733 (talk) 19:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment/ (still) Keep. In part agree with @Enos733 that serving on a school board is not an automatic pass via WP:NPOL, and with @Bearcat that the job here isn't to maintain an article about every individual person... but rather those that have national and/or international significance. The nod to national significance that does endure the times is the fact that Quraishi is the youngest of a particular community group (in this case Muslim, perhaps also Pakistani-American) to serve/get elected to office in the United States, even if it is a school board position. I've updated source material on the article and will include the citations here as well that do make a note of it with a national scope. I did find a source that appears to be produced by the subject pointing to a dead New York Times link; however, I need the guidance of the Wikipedia veterans and editors on what to do about these dead links, and archived links or documents.
References: New York Times (dead, searching for alternate), Muslim Public Affairs Council (dead, archived), The Daily Stack (subject owned, points to these sources) BernieBruh (talk) 22:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Age is not a permanent notability claim in and of itself. Being the youngest person to hold an NPOL-passing office would be a secondary fact of interest, but not a person's key notability claim — the NPOL-passing office would already clinch notability regardless of age, and age would just be a mere footnote to that rather than a notability maker in its own right. But being the youngest person to hold an NPOL-failing office is not special enough to make a person a topic of more enduring significance than any of his older colleagues, because it doesn't render him more famous than other school board members. And as for those sources, the Daily Stack and the Muslim Public Affairs Council are primary sources that wouldn't count as support for notability at all, while Fort Lee being just a stone's throw across the river from New York City renders the New York Times into the run of the mill coverage of local school boards that's merely expected to exist rather than nationalizing coverage, because Fort Lee is inside the NYT's local coverage area. Bearcat (talk) 13:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Eddie891 Talk Work 23:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cooper Grant Neighborhood Association

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Cooper Grant Neighborhood Association (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable neighborhood association which lacks WP:SIGCOV, comes off with a promotional tone, and is sourced to primary sources and a fluff piece. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Black Community of Camden, NJ

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The Black Community of Camden, NJ (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This appears to be a nonnotable topic cobbled together from discussions of Black organizations in Camden. There doesn't appear to be a "The Black Community of Camden" that this is talking about. Appears to be WP:SYNTH. Valereee (talk) 17:16, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:04, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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